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There are 2 deaths for a John Marsh in Mansfield Notts in 1848. One in first Qtr and one in 2nd Qtr, so seems likely he died in 1848 at the grand old age of approx 88. Also in the Index to Death Duty Registers in 1848 for John Marsh, Mansfield Notts. How would I go about accessing this record?

Record set Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
First name(s) John
Last name Marsh
Death year 1848
Residence MANSFIELD
County NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Court PCC And Country Courts
TNA ref IR27/286
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain

Hi Everyone

Thanks for working on those difficult scored through words about Hannah Cowley. They had me stumped.

I think without doubt it says
Mary Cowley 47 Servant - b. Derbys.
Hannah -do- 12 '(her daughter) attends school for Needle Work'. born in county.

....had another look at 1841.

Mystery word looks to start with N...compare with 1st letter of ...No,.... for John MARSH's birthplace.

End of that mstery word ends with E, ...compare with last letter of LACE ..or MACHINE... further down that page.

Why can't they do a neat tick at end of entry.......... :-(

Good try Gwyn but when I last looked it said :

(her daughter) attends school for ???? Unk. (usually means unknown).

The ??? looks like it starts with an 'M' when comparing with the rest of the writing on the page but definitely not a 'W' I think. 'May say 'Maids' ????? BUT is very difficult to read with that thick line scored through it........... grrrrrr !!! :-(

Dea x

Re. 1841 entry......

Does the entry between Mary and Hannah perhaps say.......

Her daughter attends school for Needle Work.........

Gwyn

You'd need to know when & where he died - the systems changed in 1858 so if he died before this - highhly likely - the will could be held in local records and not centrally recorded.

Without finging Mary Cowley or Hannah's whereabouts in 1851 it is difficult to know if John died in the Mansfield area.

I wonder if John Marsh had a will. If he did it might enlighten us about his relationship to Hannah Cowley, and whether she became Hannah Marsh.

cant find anything else for her possible death


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007


First Name MARY ANN
Last Name COWLEY
Gender Female
Year 1858
Birth Year
Birth Month
Birth Day
District MANSFIELD
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Event Quarter 2
District Number
Page 41
Line Number 1
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

Maybe another illegitamate birth for the Mary found by Polly:


Mary Anne Cowley
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Jun 1825
Christening Place: MANSFIELD,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Mother's Name:Mary Cowley

There are 2 John Marsh death in Mansfield, both in 1848 - could be worth an e-mail to the records office they can check out the burials (it doesn't look like they make a charge) and you never know it may give another lead. Obviously back in 1848 age at death was not recorded on the BMD, so no way of knowing if either is right.

http://www.mansfield.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=189

Polly that could be an older sister?? have you found her on other census?

could this be a possible


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census


First Name MARY A
Last Name COWLEY
Birth Year 1825
Age 26
Birth Place
Birth Town MANSFIELD
Birth County NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household
Gender Female
Occupation GENERAL SERVANT
Street
Parish MANSFIELD
City
County Nottinghamshire
Division Of County NORTH BROXTOWE
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 1D
Hamlet
House Name MANSFIELD UNION
House Number
Parliamentary Borough NOTTINGHAM
Municipal Ward
Registration District MANSFIELD
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain
Folio 72
Page 8
Piece Number 2124
Source
Archive Reference HO107

I haven't, that's why I was trying to find the other visitor - hoping they worked together.

I would be surprised if john marsh was actually the father of Hannah Cowley

has anyone been able to find Hannah Cowley in 1851?

I wondered if the other visitor on the 1861 census could lead to finding them together in 1851 maybe working together - but no luck. Incidently she was Sarah A Eddowes not Beddows - she died in 1884, a spinster, in Dilhorne.

The John Marsh entry on marriage cert is just fathers name and occupation. Sometimes it will state deceased, but not always.


There is probably no way of finding out if Hannah Cowley became Hannah Marsh, other than the names, place and date of birth. Judging by the Baptism record, Hannah was born out of wedlock.

Andy

Her daughter Attends School for ?? ??
Not much better Flip, but think it is Attends. As for the rest?

EDIT - yes strange about naming Derbys. Have looked a couple of pages either way and no-one else has had this done (apart from a Scotland and Ireland)

Can anyone make out what it says against Hannah Cowley on the 1841 image?

Best I can do is: (Her daughter) ???? School for ??? ???

Only thing I can think of is to get the parish register checked out for the christening - the vicar sometimes mentions who the alleged father is,. but it's rarely transcribed.

Added, it does say John Marsh/Mary Cowley were not born in county, but it also states Derby which is unusual.

Yes, just trying to establish that I'm looking for the right person, although other folk are possibly far ahead of me!
I'm putting the following up to try and establish where Joseph was in those earlier years as I wouldn't have thought Hannah should be far away, even if a visitor in Staffs in 1861. Presume they met in the Chesterfield area as that is where Joseph appears each census and where they marry.

? Joseph Bingham in 1861. Living in Brampton just outside Chesterfield. Place of birth given as North Wingfield here, but NW and Clay Cross are next to each other on a map and all in Chesterfield RD. He is also in the right occupation to be a Cotton Agent in later census. And all close to Mansfield, just across the border in Notts.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
South Street, Brampton, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Bingham Head Married Male 68 1793 Wood Turner Kettlethorpe, Lincolnshire
Susanna Bingham Wife Married Female 69 1792 Wood Turners Wife Gamston, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Bingham Son Unmarried Male 28 1833 Overlooker In A Cotton Factory North Wingfield, Derbyshire
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Same Joseph in 1851 - an assistant teacher - perhaps this is how he met Hannah if there was a teaching linkof some sort (John Marsh/Hannah Cowley)?? Or is that just co-incidence?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Froggatts Yard, Low Pavement, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Wilsden Bowker Head Married Male 32 1819 Wesleyan School Master Folkestone, Kent
Eliza Bowker Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Plymouth, Devonshire
James Wilsden Bowker Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Mary Ann Bowker Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Elizabeth Bowker Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Eliza Sargent Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Mary Ann MacDonald Lodger Unmarried Female 25 1826 Assistant Teacher Sherness, Kent
Joseph Bingham Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1833 Assistant Teacher Northwingfield, Derbyshire<<<<<<<<
Mary Abel Higginbottom Servant Unmarried Female 14 1837 House Servant Newbold, Derbyshire

Hi Andy
Your suggestion is very plausible, but how would I go about testing it?
Where might I find evidence that Hannah Cowley later took the name Hannah Marsh?
Alicia