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Ricochet

Ricochet Report 31 Jul 2014 09:05

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1343110

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Jul 2014 17:00

Re Cowmans:
Father Geo d 1910q4. In March 1911, mother Agnes & 4 of her kids (Mary E, John Joseph, Henry, Edith A) sailed from Liverpool to St John NB.
Chas L had made the same trip 3 y earlier, also on the Empress of Britain in March. I think bro George came in 1909.
Anyway, all the rest went to Hamilton Ont.

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Hamilton East / 3 ward 1 / page 16
34 165 Coleman John J M Head M Nov 1887 23
35 165 Coleman Agnes F Mother W Dec 1851 59
36 165 Coleman Henry M Brother S Oct 1888 22

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990685.pdf


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Hamilton East / 5 Ward 6 / page 26
25 242 Cowman George M Head M Oct 1882 28
26 242 Cowman Gertrude M. F Wife M Sep 1885 25
27 242 Bird William A. M Boarder M Aug 1881 29
28 242 Wathingson Herbert M Brother-in-law S Dec 1892 18
29 242 Jones Emma B. F Guest S Feb 1884 27

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990782.pdf

It seems our Charles went back there, whether to settle, or just for a visit wil remain a mystery.

Chas d 6/7/1912 @ Hamilton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JD5Y-HQY

Geo m 16/3/1911
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS8V-7QB

Mary E m 19/9/1921
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/27DJ-S2B

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Jul 2014 01:16

Clearly she's lying abt her age - on 2/7/1914 she just had her 27th b'day, and Ed was only 21. Note that 7 y (but for a month) later, Ed is 28 and she is 33, just coming up to her 34th b'day.

In those days, there was no uniform divorce law in Canada. In BC, until 1968, divorce was governed by the English Matrimonial Causes Act, 1857.

Michael

Michael Report 28 Jul 2014 22:27

Caroline Stringer PARKINSON was the adopted daughter of Thomas PARKINSON. She married Charles COWMAN in 1910 and then appears to have married again in 1914 but some details don't quite gel.

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 28 Jul 2014 21:46

Divorce didn't happen for any but the seriously wealthy

If she was calling herself a spinster, she'd either dumped her husband, or he'd dumped her

Any legal second marriage would have been in her first married name.....NOT her birth name

Who is Caroline Stringer Parkinson?


Michael

Michael Report 28 Jul 2014 21:18

It was the second marriage I was more confused about. Here her age in 1914 is given as 23 which makes her dob as 1891. All other details agree, parents etc but she is shown as a spinster and I can't find a death record for her first husband so maybe she was divorced.

mgnv

mgnv Report 28 Jul 2014 19:39

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
STRINGER Caroline Saint George Manchester STG/195/35

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
STRINGER Caroline Manchester 8d 285

Since one had 6 weeks to rego a birth, and 1 week is typical, this is entirely compatible with a birth in the last week of June.
Carrie's dob is given as June 1887 in 1911, and her b'day occurred after the census was taken.
It was taken on 6-7/6/1911, but was supposed to reflect the status on 1/6/1911 - the census nominal day.

A search at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/
for rg11/4007 - the 1881 piece # - shows the subdistrict for the census:
Registration Sub-District 4J St George
- same as 1891, and helps tie the 1887 birth record to this family.

No idea why she's adopted - adoptees are usually family members, but I see no obvious connection. She definitely lists Thos & Eliz as her parents for her marr to Cowman.

Michael

Michael Report 28 Jul 2014 16:25

I think I have it all sorted now except for Caroline Stringer Parkinson. MGNV kindly gave me reference to her marriage to Charles COWMAN and a further reference, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZ8-B2T to what looks like another marriage. Her birth date isn't quite right and she says she is a spinster and calls herself Carrie. I can't find a death record for Charles so I am not quite sure on this one. Anyway thanks again for everyone's help.

Michael

Michael Report 26 Jul 2014 09:19

I have been trying to tie up all the loose ends of my own research with the information which everyone has been kind enough to supply. I have been able to fill a few gaps and move on. Thanks to all.

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 26 Jul 2014 08:33

It would be good if Michael returned to comment on all the help he has been given

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Jul 2014 06:21

Searching at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZL-T17
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZ8-B2T

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDDQ-T7P

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLGG-WDS

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JD8S-5Y4

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLGY-Y4S

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLRK-GZF

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLYZ-168

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLYQ-MYJ

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLT9-Q9T

1921 Census of Canada about Caroline Handlen
Name: Caroline Handlen
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Handlen
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1909
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: British Columbia
District: Nanaimo
District Number: 19
Sub-District: New Castle
Sub-District Number: 36, 37
City, Town or Village: Nanaimo City
Street or Township: 27 Milton
Municipality: Nanaimo
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Handlen 28
Caroline Handlen 33
Reginald Handlen 6
Wilda Helen Handlen 3
Ethel May Handlen 1
Edna Kennedy Cowman 10

Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 4.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLRY-YFV

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBN-FRN


Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
STRINGER Caroline Manchester 8d 285

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
STRINGER Caroline Saint George Manchester STG/195/35

1891
Street Mary Ellen Street
Parish Manchester
Town -
City Manchester
County Lancashire
Country England
Municipal ward Harpurhey
Parliamentary borough North Manchester
Ecclesiastical district St Oswalds
Registration district Manchester
Registration Sub-District 3H St George
Enumeration district 36
Series RG12 Piece number 3249 Folio number 121 Page 62

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wm Stringer Head Widower Male 44 1847 Warehouse Labourer Manchester, Lancashire
Jane Litherland Mother In Law Widow Female 69 1822 - Manchester, Lancashire
Sarah J Stringer Daughter - Female 14 1877 Warehouse Girl Manchester, Lancashire
Ino Stringer Son - Male 12 1879 Green Grocers Assistant Manchester, Lancashire
Hannah Stringer Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Manchester, Lancashire
Caroline Stringer Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Manchester, Lancashire

1881
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ8X-ZV3

1871
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBFY-LHB
rg10/4044/64/20 so Registration Sub-District 4A Market Street

Maybe
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
STRINGER William THOMPSON Jane Salford St Simon Salford C27/8/248

This looks like Caroline's folks, so Thos & Eliz Parkinson must have adopted her, I uppose.

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Jul 2014 02:17

Doing an online search of the local index at:
http://gro.durham.gov.uk/
Name: BARKER, Samuel T
Year: 1903
Other index entries for this marriage:
GRATTON, Lily
Checking the postal application form:
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DE/C-E/T2 entry 379
[I think DE/C-E/T is the code for Holy Trinity, Wingate Grange]

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/419858



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PARKINSON Thomas WILDE Elizabeth Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/58/192

1891
Street 37 Mealhouse Lane
Parish Atherton
Town Atherton
County Lancashire
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough Leigh
Ecclesiastical district St Johns
Registration district Leigh
Enumeration district 7
Series RG12 Piece number 3090 Folio number 73 Page 52 - Folio number 74 Page 53

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Parkinson Head Married Male 34 1857 Coal Miner Farnworth, Lancashire
Elizabeth Parkinson Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Glaybury, Lancashire
Thomas Parkinson Son - Male 12 1879 Cotton Mill Hand Newton, Lancashire
Thomas Parkinson Father Widower Male 66 1825 Coal Miner Newbury, Lancashire
Ellen Wilde Mother In Law Married Female 57 1834 - Glaybury, Lancashire

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PARKINSON Thomas EDWARDS Mercia Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/55/196

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PARKINSON Lillian Atherton Wigan & Leigh EDWARDS ATH/86/403

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / British Columbia / Nanaimo / 24 Nanaimo / page 5,6-7
11 65 Parkinson Thomas Robson St. M Head M Feb 1857 54
12 65 Parkinson Elizabeth F Wife M Jan 1858 53
13 65 Vince William M Lodger S Sep 1882 28

43 86 Parkinson Thomas Wesley St. M Head M Mar 1879 32
44 86 Parkinson Merica F Wife M Nov 1878 32
45 86 Parkinson Lillian F Daughter S Mar 1901 10
46 86 Parkinson Doris F Daughter S Feb 1904 7
47 86 Parkinson Edna F Daughter S Feb 1906 5
48 86 Parkinson Thomas M Son S Oct 1908 2
49 86 Parkinson Mona F Daughter S Apr 1910 1
50 87 Cowman Longrigg Chas M Lodger M Aug 1883 27
1 87 Cowman Caroline Ginger Wesley St. F Wife M Jun 1887 23
2 87 Cowman Edna Flor. F Daughter S Sep 1910 9/12

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938566.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938567.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938568.pdf
[immig 1907
Caroline Stringer Cowman ms Parkinson was Thos's sis]


http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/566075a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/566075b.gif
25/4/1916 Thos b 3/3/1879 enlists in CEF - destined for #4 Tunnelling Coy
His full service record won't be online (and free) until late 2015 - they're only on A-D right now.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx

The unit's war diaries are online via:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/020152_e.html
I've never heard of the 4th Tunnelling Coy - I think it must be a reserve coy which supplied replacements to the 3 active coys.
You'll need to see his service record to see which unit(s) he actually served in.


Right now, anyone can search 1921 - images are free if you go via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991

1921 Census of Canada about Thomas Parkinson
Name: Thomas Parkinson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 64
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Parkinson
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1907
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: British Columbia
District: Nanaimo
District Number: 19
Sub-District: New Castle
Sub-District Number: 35
City, Town or Village: Nanaimo
Street or Township: 181 Selby
Municipality: Nanaimo
Occupation: Miner
Income: 1350
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Parkinson 64
Elizabeth Parkinson 63

Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 6.
[Thos immig 1907 occup=Miner, Eliz immig 1908]


1921 Census of Canada about Mercia Parkinson
Name: Mercia Parkinson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 42
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joe Thomas Parkinson
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1907
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: British Columbia
District: Nanaimo
District Number: 19
Sub-District: New Castle
Sub-District Number: 36, 37
City, Town or Village: Nanaimo
Street or Township: 160 Stewart Ave
Municipality: Newcastle Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joe Thomas Parkinson 42
Mercia Parkinson 42
Doris Parkinson 17
Edna Parkinson 15
Tom Parkinson 12
Mona Parkinson 11
Arnold Parkinson 9
Lillian Porter 20
Andrey Porter 2/12

Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 12.
[JT occup=Coal miner]



Parkinson Thos miner h[=homeowner] 181 Selby
appears in the 1932 directory for Nanaimo
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/browse/index

EDIT I now think it's Thos Snr in the 1932 directory.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 24 Jul 2014 19:31

Guess its Michael...!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 24 Jul 2014 19:15

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693192.0

(somebody with above)

Chris :)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 24 Jul 2014 18:48

Marriage on Family Search.....You can view the image.
I am guessing Thomas was also from the Winlaton area.....he was aged 43 when he married Flo.

Name: Thomas Parkinson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Feb 1923
Event Place: Vancouver B C, Canada
Age: 43
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: , England
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Name: Thomas Parkinson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wild
Spouse's Name: Florence Gratton
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892
Spouse's Birthplace: , England
Spouse's Marital Status: Spinster
Spouse's Father's Name: John Gratton
Spouse's Mother's Name: Margaret Robson
Affiliate Film Number: B13745
Certificate Type: License

GS Film number: 2074227 , Digital Folder Number: 004400875 , Image Number: 01763 , Reference ID: 23-09-

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 24 Jul 2014 16:32

Didn't waste any time getting married:

Vital Event Marriage Registration

Groom Name: Thomas Parkinson
Bride Name: Florence Gratton

Event Date: 1923 2 11 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Event Place: Vancouver

Reg. Number: 1923-09-259871
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13745
GSU Microfilm Number: 2074227

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 24 Jul 2014 16:18

On her arrival in Canada her reason for emigrating was to be married. Her intended husband was Tom Parkinson, 160 Stewart Ave., Nanaimo, BC.

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Florence Gratton Name: Florence Gratton
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Birth Place: Wingate, England
Age: 31
Date of Arrival: Feb 1923
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Wingate, New Zealand
Ship Name: Andania


Ricochet

Ricochet Report 24 Jul 2014 16:06

My mistake

Your inclusion of other names in relation to Florence muddied the waters somewhat

Glad PH was able to see clearly

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 24 Jul 2014 15:30

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Florence Gratton Name:Florence Gratton
Gender:Female
Age:31
45 Vane Street, Station Town, Wingate.
Birth Date:abt 1892
Departure Date:25 Jan 1923
Port of Departure:Southampton, England
Destination Port:Halifax, Canada
Ship Name:Andania
Search Ship Database:
Search the 'Andania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Cunard Line

With...Florence Gratton......child age 3

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 24 Jul 2014 14:59


First name(s) VICTORIA LENA
Last name LAIDLER
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 6
Birth year 1887
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1978
District NORTH CLEVELAND
County Durham
Volume 3
Page 2728
Country England