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31 Jul 2014 09:05 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1343110
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29 Jul 2014 17:00 |
Re Cowmans: Father Geo d 1910q4. In March 1911, mother Agnes & 4 of her kids (Mary E, John Joseph, Henry, Edith A) sailed from Liverpool to St John NB. Chas L had made the same trip 3 y earlier, also on the Empress of Britain in March. I think bro George came in 1909. Anyway, all the rest went to Hamilton Ont.
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / Ontario / Hamilton East / 3 ward 1 / page 16 34 165 Coleman John J M Head M Nov 1887 23 35 165 Coleman Agnes F Mother W Dec 1851 59 36 165 Coleman Henry M Brother S Oct 1888 22 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990685.pdf
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / Ontario / Hamilton East / 5 Ward 6 / page 26 25 242 Cowman George M Head M Oct 1882 28 26 242 Cowman Gertrude M. F Wife M Sep 1885 25 27 242 Bird William A. M Boarder M Aug 1881 29 28 242 Wathingson Herbert M Brother-in-law S Dec 1892 18 29 242 Jones Emma B. F Guest S Feb 1884 27
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990782.pdf
It seems our Charles went back there, whether to settle, or just for a visit wil remain a mystery.
Chas d 6/7/1912 @ Hamilton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JD5Y-HQY
Geo m 16/3/1911 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS8V-7QB
Mary E m 19/9/1921 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/27DJ-S2B
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29 Jul 2014 01:16 |
Clearly she's lying abt her age - on 2/7/1914 she just had her 27th b'day, and Ed was only 21. Note that 7 y (but for a month) later, Ed is 28 and she is 33, just coming up to her 34th b'day.
In those days, there was no uniform divorce law in Canada. In BC, until 1968, divorce was governed by the English Matrimonial Causes Act, 1857.
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Michael
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28 Jul 2014 22:27 |
Caroline Stringer PARKINSON was the adopted daughter of Thomas PARKINSON. She married Charles COWMAN in 1910 and then appears to have married again in 1914 but some details don't quite gel.
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28 Jul 2014 21:46 |
Divorce didn't happen for any but the seriously wealthy
If she was calling herself a spinster, she'd either dumped her husband, or he'd dumped her
Any legal second marriage would have been in her first married name.....NOT her birth name
Who is Caroline Stringer Parkinson?
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Michael
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28 Jul 2014 21:18 |
It was the second marriage I was more confused about. Here her age in 1914 is given as 23 which makes her dob as 1891. All other details agree, parents etc but she is shown as a spinster and I can't find a death record for her first husband so maybe she was divorced.
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mgnv
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28 Jul 2014 19:39 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference STRINGER Caroline Saint George Manchester STG/195/35
Births Sep 1887 (>99%) STRINGER Caroline Manchester 8d 285
Since one had 6 weeks to rego a birth, and 1 week is typical, this is entirely compatible with a birth in the last week of June. Carrie's dob is given as June 1887 in 1911, and her b'day occurred after the census was taken. It was taken on 6-7/6/1911, but was supposed to reflect the status on 1/6/1911 - the census nominal day.
A search at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/ for rg11/4007 - the 1881 piece # - shows the subdistrict for the census: Registration Sub-District 4J St George - same as 1891, and helps tie the 1887 birth record to this family.
No idea why she's adopted - adoptees are usually family members, but I see no obvious connection. She definitely lists Thos & Eliz as her parents for her marr to Cowman.
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Michael
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28 Jul 2014 16:25 |
I think I have it all sorted now except for Caroline Stringer Parkinson. MGNV kindly gave me reference to her marriage to Charles COWMAN and a further reference, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZ8-B2T to what looks like another marriage. Her birth date isn't quite right and she says she is a spinster and calls herself Carrie. I can't find a death record for Charles so I am not quite sure on this one. Anyway thanks again for everyone's help.
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Michael
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26 Jul 2014 09:19 |
I have been trying to tie up all the loose ends of my own research with the information which everyone has been kind enough to supply. I have been able to fill a few gaps and move on. Thanks to all.
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Ricochet
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26 Jul 2014 08:33 |
It would be good if Michael returned to comment on all the help he has been given
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mgnv
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26 Jul 2014 06:21 |
Searching at: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZL-T17 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDZ8-B2T
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDDQ-T7P
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLGG-WDS
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JD8S-5Y4
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLGY-Y4S
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLRK-GZF
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLYZ-168
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLYQ-MYJ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLT9-Q9T
1921 Census of Canada about Caroline Handlen Name: Caroline Handlen Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1888 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: Edward Handlen Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1909 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: British Columbia District: Nanaimo District Number: 19 Sub-District: New Castle Sub-District Number: 36, 37 City, Town or Village: Nanaimo City Street or Township: 27 Milton Municipality: Nanaimo Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Handlen 28 Caroline Handlen 33 Reginald Handlen 6 Wilda Helen Handlen 3 Ethel May Handlen 1 Edna Kennedy Cowman 10
Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 4.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLRY-YFV
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBN-FRN
Births Sep 1887 (>99%) STRINGER Caroline Manchester 8d 285
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference STRINGER Caroline Saint George Manchester STG/195/35
1891 Street Mary Ellen Street Parish Manchester Town - City Manchester County Lancashire Country England Municipal ward Harpurhey Parliamentary borough North Manchester Ecclesiastical district St Oswalds Registration district Manchester Registration Sub-District 3H St George Enumeration district 36 Series RG12 Piece number 3249 Folio number 121 Page 62
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Wm Stringer Head Widower Male 44 1847 Warehouse Labourer Manchester, Lancashire Jane Litherland Mother In Law Widow Female 69 1822 - Manchester, Lancashire Sarah J Stringer Daughter - Female 14 1877 Warehouse Girl Manchester, Lancashire Ino Stringer Son - Male 12 1879 Green Grocers Assistant Manchester, Lancashire Hannah Stringer Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Manchester, Lancashire Caroline Stringer Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Manchester, Lancashire
1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ8X-ZV3
1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBFY-LHB rg10/4044/64/20 so Registration Sub-District 4A Market Street
Maybe Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1870 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference STRINGER William THOMPSON Jane Salford St Simon Salford C27/8/248
This looks like Caroline's folks, so Thos & Eliz Parkinson must have adopted her, I uppose.
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26 Jul 2014 02:17 |
Doing an online search of the local index at: http://gro.durham.gov.uk/ Name: BARKER, Samuel T Year: 1903 Other index entries for this marriage: GRATTON, Lily Checking the postal application form: Register No. - Entry No. - District DE/C-E/T2 entry 379 [I think DE/C-E/T is the code for Holy Trinity, Wingate Grange]
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/419858
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PARKINSON Thomas WILDE Elizabeth Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/58/192
1891 Street 37 Mealhouse Lane Parish Atherton Town Atherton County Lancashire Country England Municipal ward - Parliamentary borough Leigh Ecclesiastical district St Johns Registration district Leigh Enumeration district 7 Series RG12 Piece number 3090 Folio number 73 Page 52 - Folio number 74 Page 53
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Parkinson Head Married Male 34 1857 Coal Miner Farnworth, Lancashire Elizabeth Parkinson Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Glaybury, Lancashire Thomas Parkinson Son - Male 12 1879 Cotton Mill Hand Newton, Lancashire Thomas Parkinson Father Widower Male 66 1825 Coal Miner Newbury, Lancashire Ellen Wilde Mother In Law Married Female 57 1834 - Glaybury, Lancashire
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PARKINSON Thomas EDWARDS Mercia Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/55/196
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1901 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference PARKINSON Lillian Atherton Wigan & Leigh EDWARDS ATH/86/403
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / British Columbia / Nanaimo / 24 Nanaimo / page 5,6-7 11 65 Parkinson Thomas Robson St. M Head M Feb 1857 54 12 65 Parkinson Elizabeth F Wife M Jan 1858 53 13 65 Vince William M Lodger S Sep 1882 28
43 86 Parkinson Thomas Wesley St. M Head M Mar 1879 32 44 86 Parkinson Merica F Wife M Nov 1878 32 45 86 Parkinson Lillian F Daughter S Mar 1901 10 46 86 Parkinson Doris F Daughter S Feb 1904 7 47 86 Parkinson Edna F Daughter S Feb 1906 5 48 86 Parkinson Thomas M Son S Oct 1908 2 49 86 Parkinson Mona F Daughter S Apr 1910 1 50 87 Cowman Longrigg Chas M Lodger M Aug 1883 27 1 87 Cowman Caroline Ginger Wesley St. F Wife M Jun 1887 23 2 87 Cowman Edna Flor. F Daughter S Sep 1910 9/12
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938566.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938567.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001938568.pdf [immig 1907 Caroline Stringer Cowman ms Parkinson was Thos's sis]
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/566075a.gif http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/566075b.gif 25/4/1916 Thos b 3/3/1879 enlists in CEF - destined for #4 Tunnelling Coy His full service record won't be online (and free) until late 2015 - they're only on A-D right now. http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx
The unit's war diaries are online via: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/020152_e.html I've never heard of the 4th Tunnelling Coy - I think it must be a reserve coy which supplied replacements to the 3 active coys. You'll need to see his service record to see which unit(s) he actually served in.
Right now, anyone can search 1921 - images are free if you go via: http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
1921 Census of Canada about Thomas Parkinson Name: Thomas Parkinson Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 64 Birth Year: abt 1857 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Parkinson Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1907 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: British Columbia District: Nanaimo District Number: 19 Sub-District: New Castle Sub-District Number: 35 City, Town or Village: Nanaimo Street or Township: 181 Selby Municipality: Nanaimo Occupation: Miner Income: 1350 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Parkinson 64 Elizabeth Parkinson 63
Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 6. [Thos immig 1907 occup=Miner, Eliz immig 1908]
1921 Census of Canada about Mercia Parkinson Name: Mercia Parkinson Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Age: 42 Birth Year: abt 1879 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: Joe Thomas Parkinson Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1907 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: British Columbia District: Nanaimo District Number: 19 Sub-District: New Castle Sub-District Number: 36, 37 City, Town or Village: Nanaimo Street or Township: 160 Stewart Ave Municipality: Newcastle Town Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joe Thomas Parkinson 42 Mercia Parkinson 42 Doris Parkinson 17 Edna Parkinson 15 Tom Parkinson 12 Mona Parkinson 11 Arnold Parkinson 9 Lillian Porter 20 Andrey Porter 2/12
Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 12. [JT occup=Coal miner]
Parkinson Thos miner h[=homeowner] 181 Selby appears in the 1932 directory for Nanaimo http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/browse/index
EDIT I now think it's Thos Snr in the 1932 directory.
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Eringobragh1916
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24 Jul 2014 19:31 |
Guess its Michael...!
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Chris Ho :)
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24 Jul 2014 19:15 |
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693192.0
(somebody with above)
Chris :)
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24 Jul 2014 18:48 |
Marriage on Family Search.....You can view the image. I am guessing Thomas was also from the Winlaton area.....he was aged 43 when he married Flo.
Name: Thomas Parkinson Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Feb 1923 Event Place: Vancouver B C, Canada Age: 43 Birth Year (Estimated): 1880 Birthplace: , England Marital Status: Widowed Father's Name: Thomas Parkinson Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wild Spouse's Name: Florence Gratton Spouse's Age: 31 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892 Spouse's Birthplace: , England Spouse's Marital Status: Spinster Spouse's Father's Name: John Gratton Spouse's Mother's Name: Margaret Robson Affiliate Film Number: B13745 Certificate Type: License
GS Film number: 2074227 , Digital Folder Number: 004400875 , Image Number: 01763 , Reference ID: 23-09-
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24 Jul 2014 16:32 |
Didn't waste any time getting married:
Vital Event Marriage Registration
Groom Name: Thomas Parkinson Bride Name: Florence Gratton
Event Date: 1923 2 11 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: Vancouver Reg. Number: 1923-09-259871 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13745 GSU Microfilm Number: 2074227
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MargaretM
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24 Jul 2014 16:18 |
On her arrival in Canada her reason for emigrating was to be married. Her intended husband was Tom Parkinson, 160 Stewart Ave., Nanaimo, BC.
Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Florence Gratton Name: Florence Gratton Gender: Female Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Birth Place: Wingate, England Age: 31 Date of Arrival: Feb 1923 Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia Port of Departure: Wingate, New Zealand Ship Name: Andania
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Ricochet
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24 Jul 2014 16:06 |
My mistake
Your inclusion of other names in relation to Florence muddied the waters somewhat
Glad PH was able to see clearly
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24 Jul 2014 15:30 |
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Florence Gratton Name:Florence Gratton Gender:Female Age:31 45 Vane Street, Station Town, Wingate. Birth Date:abt 1892 Departure Date:25 Jan 1923 Port of Departure:Southampton, England Destination Port:Halifax, Canada Ship Name:Andania Search Ship Database: Search the 'Andania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line:Cunard Line
With...Florence Gratton......child age 3
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24 Jul 2014 14:59 |
First name(s) VICTORIA LENA Last name LAIDLER Gender Female Birth day 13 Birth month 6 Birth year 1887 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1978 District NORTH CLEVELAND County Durham Volume 3 Page 2728 Country England
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