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Posted all of the above in case the names may 'ring a bell' with the 94 year old

Let's hope so Choccy. ;-)

Dea x

:-) Dea

Ohmy goodness what amazing people you all are! I cannot speak to the friends looking for this until later tonight - not at home today - but I will get back ASAP . Thank you all so much xxx

DO come back as soon as you can Eunice and get as much info as possible.

Find out everything you can about this person's parents and family members.

It is good to have something challenging to research.

Dea x

Not many challenges around these days Dea :-|

Message from jack: Richard Grundy's wife Alice mat have passed away and he subsequently married Margaret Daniels????? Solomon could have been a cousin of jacks grandmother, but was refs to as Uncle, for lack of better term???? :-(

Eunice,

About when did Richard marry Margaret?

Thanks

Added:
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Marriages Jun 1867
CLOSE Alice Wigan 8c 43
xxxDANIELS Margaret Wigan 8c 43
xxxGRUNDY Richard Wigan 8c 43
HITCHEN James Wigan 8c 43

dear all, I have - hopefully - send on ALL of your interesting replies to Jack, I am sure there use be a link here. I will await Jack's reply. Its a convoluted story in more ways than one …….???

Thanks for the update Eunice - a sad story about the suicide, but he was obviously in a lot of pain.

Pleased that we were able to help solve a mystery - Dea's newspaper find was the key.

:-)

Thanks for the update Eunice - nice to have been of help :-)

One thing still puzzles me though........

"Richard Grundy's wife Alice mat have passed away and he subsequently married Margaret Daniels? "

Does this mean you are still thinking that 'your' Solomon was the son of Richard and Margaret because I don't believe he is.

'That' Solomon is clearly down as Solomon through all the census and his birth is confirmed to them in 1880 in Wigan:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Solomon Pemberton Wigan & Leigh DANIEL PEM/42/261


Also - who is the 'Alice' who was mentioned?

Dea x

I will pass your comments on Dea, I really don't know. It is a family search for some friends - I think I have got as far as I am going to get with my own lot!- but it has been interesting helping them. Jacks dad went back to canada during WW2 and never heard from him again. With some research of my own, plus help from wonderful people like yourself on GrU, we were able to discover that Jack has three half brothers in Canada!!!! Best of all, he is flying out there in2 weeks to meet them all for the first time! I / we are so grateful to people like yourselves who are so generous with your time and knowledge. I will pass on your enquiry later ( am currently at royal Preston hospital waiting for hubby who has come for a scan!)
Thanks again to everyone, albeit a sad outcome for Solomon xx

Hope the scan goes well Eunice and the trip to Canada sounds really exciting !

I am sure it will be great for him to meet his half brothers and I hope they all get on well.

Dea x

John William married 1899 his dad Charles a weaver (Dead)
A Charles Grundy died Preston 1892.

Charles Grundy born @ 1844 Preston.
Charles Grundy age 24 a weaver of Bullen Street son of Richard Grundy (Weaver) married Margaret Allen age 20 a weaver of 18, Bullen Street.

1871 19 Bullen Street lancashire
Richard Grundy (Weaver) born @ 1814
Alice Grundy @ 1820.

1851 Richard and Alice Grundy with James Metcalf born 1804 Preston states Alice is sister and Richard brother in law.

Maryb.

Edit 1871 Blackburn D55 > 30
Charles Gramley (Grundy) 27
Margaret 24
Jeffrey 2.

1881 9,Smith Street Blackburn D55 >29
Charles Crundey (Grundy)
M Crundey
Jeffrey
J W son age 5 (John WilliamCrundy) SOLOMON

That looks about right to me Maryb.

I found all the birth reg's to confirm mmn on LancsBMD but not John Williams:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Jeffrey Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/131/37
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Sarah Alice Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/143/1
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Margaret Ann Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/151/47
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Richard Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/160/72
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY George Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/194/50
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY Ellen Blackburn Blackburn ALLEN B/210/35
Total records matching : 6.


However, this was the birth I thought matched but there was no marriage for a Grundy/Hallam:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRUNDY John William Blackburn Blackburn HALLAM B/175/30

Looks like a clear case of someone trying to sound 'posh' and putting their H's were there 'hare' non !! (as my gran used to say ;-) :-D )

Dea Xxx

lol - Christine will love this and yes, I think you are right here. I heard her mention both a Richard and Jeffrey plus Allan/Hallam/ Allam!! will pas it on :-)

Chris says Thank you BUT can any of you geniuses out there help her with the next bit please? Thanx for that info. It ties up with what I already have. But can u ferret out Margaret allen's original family. Her father was William Allen on wedding certificate, but I can' t find Margaret Allen born in Blackburn with a family of allen's. This means I can't find her mums / siblings names and can't delve further back Thanx in anticipation Chris xx

What was William's occupation on the marriage cert please?

Dea x

For reference:

Marriage: 30 May 1868 St Peter, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Charles Grundy - 24, weaver, Bachelor, 18 Bullen St.
Margaret Allen - (X), 20, weaver, spinster, 18 Bullen St.
Groom's Father: Richard Grundy, weaver
Bride's Father: William Allen, grinder
Witness: John Latland, (X); Elizabeth Haworth, (X)
Married by Certificate by: Henry Elwell
Register: Marriages 1866 - 1871, Page 47, Entry 93
Source: LDS film 1849646

Dea x