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Re Dundyvan Road, Old Monkland - see this link:

http://cartographic.info/uk_street/map.php?id=249401

Click on the Satellite button, and you'll see that the area is all modern buildings - the places your ancestors lived have all been demolished since then. No sign of Dundyvan Row, just Dundyvan Road - presumably gone along with all the rest.
There's still a Dundyvan Lane.

You'll also see Marshall Street very close to Dundyvan Road.

I suspect that Marshalls Row and Dundyvan Row were in the area where Wishaw Sports Centre is now.

Cambusnethan is now a suburb of Wishaw, but would have been a separate village in those days:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Cambusnethan/

Never a pretty area - industrial, mining, etc.

I have just reprinted everything and do continue to work on my Family Tree. My husband has been ill, and he is the one the figured out how many credits I should purchase on Scotland's People and was only able to figure out how to print very little, but I guess they figure I am a yank and are kind enough to give me leeway.

I did contact that one Orgill family member, she replied once and never heard back from her. I have searched out others with email addresses there in the area, but never hear back. While my Aunt Ruth Orgill Smith was alive, she continuely kept in touch with family there, but as such a young child, I wish now I had paid more attention, and while my son works on my husbands who were Mayflower Descendants, I want my granddaughter to know of my heritage. I appreciate all for their time and dedication. Debbie

Deborah, a lot of what Joonie has said is correct, but marriage entries on the Old Parish Records do not usually contain much info about the couple's parents, so don't expect too much. The Civil Records after 1855 do usually have both parents' names. Also, if you can find deaths for Agnes's parents after 1855, those will have their parents.

when you do a search at scotlands people, you have to buy credits first

if your search produces a result, then you have to pay a credit to see the result list

if it seems to be the person you are looking for, you pay more credits to see the actual image of the parish register

then you can save the image to your own computer

the images can be quite fascinating ... I only have one direct Scottish connection, a great x 3 grandfather who inexplicably wandered off to Scotland sometime before 1840 and remarried there and was there when his wife died in the 1850s because he was the informant of her death, even though he was enumerated in the workhouse in England in both 1851 and 1861

once I knew of the remarriage I was able to find the Scottish wife's death, and see the original parish record with his name on it

on the marriage record itself her parents are named but his are not ... however he adopted the local practice of including his mother's birth surname as his middle name so I knew it was him

but usually for a couple in Scotland their parents' names will both be on their marriage record

and then on their children's birth/baptism records, the parents' marriage info will be there

so it is worth going back to scotlands people and working it out

you have to register and then sign in, then buy some credits

then under 'old parish records' select births or marriages or whichever you are looking for

then use the search form to search for the name in an approximate date range

and see what you get!

if it is the Cousins family you are now investigating I think ArgyllGran has given you the basic info above

Agnes's birth:
12/05/1844 MOFFAT AGNES GARDNER
JAMES MOFFAT/JANET CULLEN FR593 (FR593) F OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0020 0486

Agnes's parents' marriage:
19/10/1839 MOFFAT JAMES JANET CULLEN/FR818 (FR818) M OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0030 0146

if you do the searches that produce those results you will be able to see the parish record images to see what info they hold, such as the parents of James Moffat and Janet Cullen and exactly where they were living

but then again the censuses ArgyllGran posted above gave you places of abode for them

1841 Marshalls Row in Cambusnethan

1851 Dundyvan Row in Old Monkland

keeping in mind that place names will have changed probably

but if you look at google maps, Cambusnethan is a very small area

I don't know the geography at all but google maps offers Dundyvan Road, Street, etc., in Coatbridge and Wishaw

perhaps you can find an old map of the area

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html

search for Cambusnethan for instance, it gives you an 1860 map you can move around in
I wonder whether the many unnamed branchings off the streets were 'rows'

I have not moved anything, but don't get to come on as on as often as I like as my husband is ill, so some weeks are filled with Dr appts. I did purchase time on the People from Scotland as suggested by someone, but that board is also confusing as to which category I push the button under for my grandparents family, Jessie's Mom and Dad that were born there as they told me then I would get their family names. I am hoping to complete all of this and find the are in Scotland and England where both my grandparents came from while I still have my husband to enjoy this with me. I have a doll and some cut glass that my grandmother brought over with her, and she was the only one I had for a short time and I was the only granddaughter, and I was born in 1952 and would be nice to see the area she came from. I am giving my all to doing the right, so I am saving everything, so not to miss anything will look over paperwork again and thank you so much for your help.

hi Debbie

I don't know whether you removed your new thread on Finding Ancestors

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1344988

or Genes Reunited did it after someone reported it probably for being a duplicate

I had posted in it to say it would be best to continue this thread and not duplicate

(you mentioned that people had been very helpful so I guessed you had had an earlier thread)

and then someone reported it

in any event, if you want to take another look at your thread here and maybe post whether you were able use any of the info in it to try to trace family members, just add to it and it will get moved to the top of this board for new attention

My grandfather John R Orgill built a large duplex house (2-sides) on Parker St in Scranton which seemed to be shared by both the Orgill and Cousin Families. By the time I came along, I lived with my parents on one side and my mom's brother and family on the other. My Grandma Orgill was shared by all my cousins, minus my uncle Tom who had been killed in the mines. I was the only granddaughter and the youngest with all my cousins old enough to be my parent. My Aunt Agnes Orgill married Gerald Fowler, again before I was born. I am sad that it has taken me this long to do this search, and I appreciate all the help everyone is giving me. My husband and I have lived and worked in Africa for 17yrs, so my dream now would be to find the area that both my grandparents lived in and visit, since we can walk out our front door and are surrounded by my husbands family. I would love to meet or hear from some of mine and thank you all for helping. Debbie

Maybe Jessie's mother in 1871?? Coatbridge was in the parish of Old Monkland, where she was born according to 1881 census.


1871 Scotland Census about Agnes Moffat
Name: Agnes Moffat
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Coatbridge, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 172 Slatefield St
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 80
Household schedule number: 88
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1871_126
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stirling 32
Ann Stirling 35
Janet Stirling 5
John Stirling 3
Agnes Moffat 25


????

1861 Scotland Census about Agnes Moffat
Name: Agnes Moffat
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Central District
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Paul
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 26 George St
Occupation: Domestic Serv
ED: 61
Household schedule number: 102
LINE: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_97
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rae 41
Jessie Rae 26
Robert Rae 8
Agnes Moffat 17


?? (Nancy is "pet" name for Agnes):

1851 Scotland Census about Nancy Moffat
Name: Nancy Moffat
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Daughter
Father: William Cullen
Gender: Female
Where born: Coatbridge, Lanark
Parish Number: 628
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan
Map ImageID:
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Wishaw
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Marshalls Row
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Page: 19
Household schedule number: 64
LINE: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cullen 61
William Cullen 28 - son
Isabel Cullen 19 - daughter
Margaret Cullen 16 daughter
Janet Cullen 37 - daughter - (maiden name - see marriage below)
Isabel Moffat 11 - daughter - (of Janet)
Jane Moffat 9 - daughter - ditto
Nancy Moffat 7 - daughter - ditto
Thomas Moffat 2 - son - ditto

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Agnes's birth:
12/05/1844 MOFFAT AGNES GARDNER
JAMES MOFFAT/JANET CULLEN FR593 (FR593) F OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0020 0486

Agnes's parents' marriage:
19/10/1839 MOFFAT JAMES JANET CULLEN/FR818 (FR818) M OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0030 0146

Her parents in 1841:


1841 Scotland Census about James Moffatt
Name: James Moffatt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Dundyvan Row
Occupation: Coal Miner
Parish Number: 652
Household Members:
Name Age
James Moffatt 20
Janet Callen 20 - wives were often listed under maiden name in early Scottish records
Isabella Moffatt 1

1910 United States Federal Census about Agnes Cousin
Name: Agnes Cousin
Age in 1910: 64
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1910: Scranton Ward 1, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1883
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John Cousin
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cousin 73
Agnes Cousin 64
William Cousin 37
James Cousin 32
Agnes Cousin 29
Isabel Cousin 26

1900 United States Federal Census about Jessie Orgell
Name: Jessie Orgell
Age: 25
Birth Date: Jan 1875
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1900: Scranton Ward 1, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1883 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John Orgell
Marriage Year: 1895
Years Married: 5
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother: number of living children: 3
Mother: How many children: 3
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Orgell 30
Jessie Orgell 25
Agnes Orgell 3
Margaret Orgell 1
Thomas Orgell 6/12


??????
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Jessie Cousen
Name: Jessie Cousen (probably Cousin in image)
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1883
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 8
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Anchoria

Travelling with Agnes Cousin, 37; William Cousin, 10; James Cousin, 7; and Agnes Cousin, 3.



1881 Scotland Census about Jessie Cousin
Name: Jessie Cousin
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John Cousin
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Cadder, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 626A/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Davidson'S Land
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 34
LINE: 8
Roll: cssct1881_205
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cousin 42 - b. Cadder
Agnes Cousin 36 - b. Old Monkland
William Cousin 8
Jessie Cousin 6
James Cousin 3
Agnes G Cousin 1

Children all born Cadder.


Jessie's parents' marriage. If you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople you can view and print the image of the original record, which will give John and Agnes's parents' names and when their parents' married.

1872 COUSIN JOHN MOFFAT AGNES CADDER (WESTERN) /LANARK 626/A1 0004


Jessie's father John:

1871 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Cadder, Lanark
Registration Number: 626A/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Findlays Land
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 46
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Cousin 61
John Cousin 30
William Cousin 21
Mary Cousin 17
William Muir 14
Alice Muir 13
Elizabeth Muir 6



1861 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Agnes Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Cadder, Lanark
Registration Number: 626/1
Registration district: Cadder Western District
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 27
LINE: 13
Roll: CSSCT1861_93
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Cousin 47
John Cousin 21
David Cousin 18
William Cousin 12
Elizabeth Cousin 9
Mary Cousin 6



1841 Scotland Census about John Cousin
Name: John Cousin
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Village Of New Auchinearn
Parish Number: 626
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cousin 35
Agnes Cousin 30
Jannet Cousin 9
James Cousin 7
John Cousin 5
Ann Cousin 3
Agnes Cousin 1
James Cousin 40

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brett/parregs.htm


17-Jul 1797 Thomas ORGILL Thos & Ann Newhall

I think it was Douglas's parentage that was being questioned not yours Deborah

I will work on all the info and try and find things. I was the legitimitate daughter of Douglas H Orgill, even given the large gap in age. My Grandmother Orgill was with us until she she reached the age of 86. When my Dad was young they helped raise him until he married my Dad. All of my Dad's brother's and sisters were old enough to be my parent, but I have all paperwork which is in order. Thank you all,ao much.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ORGILL John BRIDGWOOD Emma Shelton, St Mark Stoke-On-Trent 27/01/188

There is a tree on Ancestry that has the 1841 family. According to it John b1832 married Emma Bridgewood. There are children shown but no John. The last source for this family is the 1861 English census. When did John go to America?

Looking at the sources for this tree, I think they have the wrong John in 1861 but there are other lines down from his brothers they may prove helpful. If you don't have access to Ancestry, you should be able to view the tree on the Mundia site.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=99159664

And again in 1920. Because of the huge age gap I wonder if Douglas could be an illegitimate son of one of the daughters?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Douglas Orgill Name: Douglas Orgill
[Dougal Orgill]
Age: 1
[1 10/12]
Birth Year: abt 1919
[abt 1918]
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1920: Scranton Ward 1, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John R Orgill
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's name: Jessie Orgill
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John R Orgill 48
Jessie Orgill 44
Agnes Orgill 23
Margaret Orgill 22
Thomas Orgill 20
John Orgill 16
Ruth Orgill 12
Douglas Orgill 1
[1 10/12]
William Cousins 47
Agnes Cousins 39

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=orgill&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=40&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=129947667&df=all&

Same family in 1930:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Jessie Orgill Name: Jessie Orgill
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Widowed
Immigration Year: 1894
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Orgill 55
Thomas W Orgill 30
John C Orgill 27
Ruth I Orgill 21
Douglass H Orgill 12
Isabel Orgill 24