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Flip/MarieCeleste..how interesting!! I don't think that I would have ever found this information. I do think that the Rozee name of my Fathers does have some significance.

Ann-Marie :-)

I assumed the death record for the 1891 Thomas, as that is what I found on Freebmd - and Ancestry was not playing ball early this morning.

He may not be connected, but the name combination is interesting! And Rozee would have been used for both children - and the Rozee's I could find were mainly from London area, but many men were displaced and in other areas during the war.

Wonder if anyone with military experience can place one of his ships in Newcastle around Oct-Dec 1916?

The ship that I think would possibly be relevant is the one third from bottom on this image (I can't make out the correct name):

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/7584446

He was on that from 16/09/1915 to 03/12/1916 which would cover the period of the conception of Ann-Marie's dad (assuming that this man is the father).

I don't normally like to jump to conclusions but as Ann-Marie's father was Thomas George Rozee (which is very unusual) Arnott and we have Thomas George Rozee (x2) I really feel it's one or t'other of these two. There are no surname Rozee births at all in Northumberland on FreeBMD.

No, I'm with you Marie - but it's such an unusual name. Think the medal card for the 1891 Rozee would rule him out as he was attached to RFA 4th Depot - which was based at Woolwich. 1st Depot was at Newcastle.

Not having any luck deciphering the ship name either, any idea what the numbers signify?

Flip

The first set of numbers are List and No

HMS Pembroke was a training base at Chatham as far as I can tell (at the time). THere is only one HMS Dido incarnation that would fit

HMS Dido was built at London and Glasgow and laid down on the 30th August 1894, being launched 20th March 1896. completed for service 10th May 1898. In 1907 HMS Dido joined the the Channel Fleet then in 1909 joined the Home Fleet at the Nore. 1sr battle squadron in 1909 - 1910 and then went to Chatham for refit. In September 1911 joined the Home fleet at the Nore again

The Nore is a sandbank at the mouth of the Thames Estuary, England. It marks the point where the River Thames meets the North Sea, roughly halfway between Havengore Creek in Essex and Warden Point in Kent

I don't believe it IS HMS Dido ....I think the name in brackets is the vessel and they are all Dido class - although this is a term more associated with WW!!

However, this is the bottom entry - torpedoed matching death of Thomas George.

H.M.S. Simoom (1916)
Pendant Number: F.57 (Jan 1917)[1]
Builder: John Brown[2]
Ordered: Dec 1915 (7th Order)[3][4]
Launched: 30 Oct, 1916[5]
Torpedoed: 23 Jan, 1917[6]
Fate: by Template:DE-S50

working on the other one!

Jude

Not having much luck but there's this...ALTOFT, John W. (25), 3 Albert Ave, Wellsted St, Hull.[2 nd Mate]

Lost by enemy action, s. s. DIDO (Hull), 26 th February,1916. At 6.15 a.m. on 26th February 1916, while lying at anchor during a raging gale and heavy snow showers, just north of the Humber, a violent explosion rocked the DIDO on her port-side up forward, She was carrying one passenger, who also happened to be a stowaway, a crew of thirty and an unspecified general cargo, while on passage from Middlesbrough for Bombay. Captain Taylor instructed the Chief Officer to lower a boat and have the damaged area examined. The Chief and two crewmen climbed in, but as the boat reached the water, the battering from choppy waves broke it adrift. The men tried desperately to row back to the steamship, but in the thick squally snow, they lost sight of the ship and were soon driven away by a strong tide and the wind. The Belgian steamship MARTHA actually found the three men headed over to the DIDO to see what assistance could be rendered. The DIDO was gradually sinking and some of the men had gone into the sea by the time the MARTHA reached the vessel. Attempts were made to rescue the men by throwing ropes, but the icy water had left them too weak and exhausted to grab hold of the ropes. A lifeboat was then lowered from the Belgian steamer, but the freezing conditions were also affecting the rescuers and the squally lumpy sea made rescue almost impossible. At 7.20 a.m., with the MARTHA standing by, the DIDO heaved up and went down to the bottom, taking the confidential papers down with her. In total, twenty-seven people were lost, the stowaway and twenty-six crewmen. The MARTHA then proceeded on her voyage to Hull, where she landed the three survivors.

It's a long shot that he was one of the three survivors......

Jude

How about Liberty?

H.M.S. Liberty (1913)
Pendant Number: H.81 (1914)
H.57 (Jan 1918)[1]
Builder: J. S. White[2]
Launched: 15 Sep, 1913[3]
Sold: Nov, 1921[4]

Was a destroyer under HMS Dido

Jude

Am I talking to myself :-0

Jude

No Jude, you're not!

I have to say not 100% convinced that it's Liberty ....

Looking on that image there are three references to Pembroke I - they all give number 152 after it (albeit the last entry is 15 II format). I was wondering if the Dido one could be found using the number after it.

Jude/MarieCeleste I am amazed where you are getting all of this information from ! :-)

The ships name looks to me like ?eaton, but only a guess. Could it be HMS Phaeton?

This lists all the british warships of WW1 an ongoing project (I don't think it's a complete list):

http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-LogBooksWW1.htm

Sorry Jude, not ignoring you!

Flip :-)

Yes thought of Phaeton but not convinced....reason for going for Liberty was because of this project http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Dido_(1896)

Dido was the depot ship and the cruisers and destroyers were in the flotilla with it so I went for a vessel that was associated with Dido

I have been through about a thousand vessels so far and there is not one that fits with tin or ton at the end (I looked for Beaton Flip yesterday lol)! I had three independent views that it was Berlin but of course that was a German ship!

Jude

A stab at Teuton...

Chris :)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5985634

(googling brought up above, perhaps named after that event 1881?)

List and Ships Book Number is to do with pay I think

The Dido from July 1915 to April 1917 was part of the Harwich Force and all of the destroyers began with L

Destroyers
Laertes Laforey Lance Landrail Lark Laurel
Laverock Lawford Lennox Leonidas Liberty Linnet|
Llewellyn Lochinvar Lookout Loyal Lucifer Lydiard
Lysander

No nearer deciphering it!

Jude

Death at Sea record

First Name THOMAS G A
Last Name ROZEE
Year 1917
Vessel H. M. S. DIDO FOR SIMOOM
Age At Death 23
Year Of Birth 1894
Page 360
Record Source GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)
Record set British nationals died overseas 1818-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

It could be Teuton Chris

Jude

I do think it's quite ironic that he served on the Tyne 1914/15 .....

UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 (Ancestry)
Name: Thos G A Royce
Medal or Award: Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal
Service Year: 1914-1920
Service Location: Europe
Campaign or Service: World War I
Service number: J 4568

(his service No. brings up above)

Chris :)

Marie...nice play on words:-)

don't know if this will help


Name:
Thomas George Alfred Rozee

Rank:
AB

Birth Date:
17 May 1893

Birth Place:
Poplar, London

Branch of Service:
Royal Navy

Cause of Death:
Killed or died as a direct result of enemy action

Official Number Port Division:
J.4568. (Ch)

Death Date:
23 Jan 1917

Ship or Unit:
HMS Simon

Location of Grave:
Not recorded

Name and Address of Cemetery:
Body Not Recovered For Burial

Relatives Notified and Address:
Friend: Rebecca Payne 96 Adamson Road, Custom House London,E






Mavis

Yeah Mavis we have seen this....what we are trying to establish is how he was in Newcastle to have fatherered the twins.....

So we are trying to find what the vessel name (associated with deport ship Dido) he was on at around the time..and to see if that was in the North Sea around then :-)

And none of us can read the name of that vessel!

jdue