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I am back on the Connolly trail and wondering if any kind person could help me to trace my Irish Great, Great Grandfather, Michael Connolly. (Conolly, Connelly, Conley?).
He was born in Cork about 1812. . My Great grand father, Peter Charles Conolly born in Eire in 1838, married in Sheffield in 1861 to Ann Sweeney. A witness was Frances Conolly which is a common name in the family.
I do have a Michael Conolly who died in Liverpool in 1840/1. All I know is that he was a Farm labourer.
It is a "Puzzlement"
bessie bennett
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I am still trying to discover what my Grand father was in goal for.
He did have a lame leg and a nasty temper so it could have been a fight.
As their second daughter was born on 1902 he could not have been in prison for long.
Any more info on the subject please.?
All the names of the children in the 1911 census are correct and he did have a sister who married a Frederick Savage. He died very young along with their baby, frederick, so obviously my crafty Grand father used the name instead of Conley.
Bessie
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Hi again Bessie
I can't find a Military Service Record for him but it could be because so many were destroyed in WW11.
No idea about money being raised to buy him a cart we may need to wait for the 1921 census to find out if that is true!
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I did send the names of my Mother's (Elizabeth Conley), siblings.
I hope it helped you in your research?
Thanks for the help so far.
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Here I am again.
I was told that my Grand father, Terrance Joseph Conley (connolly), was in the Army in the 1914 war. I was told that he had a bad leg from an injury and money was raised to buy him a cart to sell veg: from.. However, I have found out so many
False stories I am double checking.
Can you help me with this one please.
Bessie
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Hi,
Just to confirm that I do appreciate your help.
Kathleen, Winifred, Agnes, Gladys and a boy, Terrance Joseph, died in childhood.
There was a mention of twins but I only found such in the Peter Connolly family.
Joseph was a very bad tempered man so maybe he was in a fight hence the Goal?
Bessie
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There were 12 more children after Phyllis Maude but only 6 girls survived.
I have received info that they may have used the name Savage?
Could be correct because the Savage childrens' names match the Conley names I have. Joseph Conley had a sister, Mary Ann, who married a Frederick Savage.
The family lived in Chorlton, Manchester. during the early 20th century.
Maud, Phyllis, Elizabeth (Elsie my mum), Margaret (Madge), Frances and Lilian were the surviving children. Kathleen, Winifred, Agnes, Terrance Joseph were some of the deceased children.
Thanks for your interest and help.
Bessie ;-
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I've been looking in the newspapers and crime & punishment on FindMyPast to see if there was anything about Joseph but can't see anything obvious.
What on earth was there to report on this thread? It seems the GR team must have started work early this morning as they seem to be showing OK.
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Although 1901 says Edward's age is 38, I think that's probably a mistrnscription of 33 by the enumerator
Marriage: 28 May 1898 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancs.
Joseph Conley - 22, Striker, Bachelor, 29 Ridge St.
Bessie Bennett Johnson - 22, Spinster, 6 Bk. Bulk St.
Groom's Father: Peter Conley, Waggon-builder
Bride's Father: Edward Johnson, Bank-ranger
Witness: Albert Dudley; Elizabeth Richmond
Married by Superintendant Registrars Certificate by: George Bird
Register: Marriages 1889 - 1899, Page 214, Entry 427
Source: LDS Film 1526202
From Astra's baptism record, it seems her mum's hubby (Edward) was not Bessie's dad (I'm discounting hypotheses involving Victorian sperm banks).
Her mum was Emma Johnson m.s. Bennett - she was a char in 1881, so I imagine there was some stuff up with her occup of Cleanor in the record.
Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
Conley Phyllis Maud E. Retford 7b 16
[NB Retford is in Notts, not Yorks]
1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6G-BRS
Head Emma Johnson F 40 Kendal, Westmorland, England Charwoman
Daughter Agnes Johnson F 17 Galgate, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Son Edmund Johnson M 12 Carnforth, Lancashire, England Scholar
Daughter Bessie Johnson F 4 Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Boarder Joseph Watson M 24 Lancaster, Lancashire, England
another h/h at same address
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6G-BRQ
Head Richard Johnson M 24 Galgate, Lancashire, England Cotton Grinder
Wife Elizabeth Johnson F 23 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Feeder
1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBNR-NBM
Self Edward Johnson M 33 Garstang, Lancashire
Wife Emma Johnson F 30 Kendal, Westmorland
Daughter Mary E Johnson F 11 Galgate, Lancashire
Son Richard Johnson M 9 Galgate, Lancashire
Daughter Agnes Johnson F 7 Galgate, Lancashire
Son Daniel Johnson M 5 Burton, Westmorland
Daughter Margret Johnson F 4 Burton, Westmorland
Son Edmon Johnson M 2 Carnforth, Lancashire
Son Fillial Johnson M 0 Carnforth, Lancashire
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1859 JOHNSON Mary Elizabeth Ellel Preston BENNETT ELL/6/96
1861 JOHNSON Richard Ellel Preston BENNETT ELL/7/48
1863 JOHNSON Agnes Ellel Preston BENNETT ELL/8/4
1869 JOHNSON Edmund Warton Preston BENNETT WAR/8/28
1871 JOHNSON William Warton Preston BENNETT WAR/8/88
1872 JOHNSON Sarah Jane Warton Preston BENNETT WAR/9/38
1876 JOHNSON Bessie Bennett Lancaster Preston JOHNSON LAN/49/29
Lewis (1848) says:
CARNFORTH, a township, in the parish of Warton, union of Lancaster...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=445
I don't know exactly what Warton sub-RD covered. I do know it included the 2 1850 Lancs parishes (Silverdale & Yealand) to the N of Warton parish.
The E half of Warton's N bounday was with Burton in Kendal, which was adjacent to, and SE of, Kendal parish - Buron lay in the Kirkby-Lonsdale subdistrict of Kendal RD.
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BENNETT Emma JOHNSON Edward Lancaster, Ellel, St John The Evangelist Preston CE5/1/3
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
1874 JOHNSON Edward 36 Warton Preston WAR/6/20
1874 JOHNSON William 3 Warton Preston WAR/6/22
1879 JOHNSON Sarah Jane 6 Lancaster Preston LAN/44/50
Baptism: 26 Jan 1869 St Oswald, Warton Nr Lancaster, Lancs.
Edmund Johnson - Son of Edward Johnson & Emma
Abode: Carnfoirth
Occupation: labourer
Baptised by: Thomas Dean, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1870, Page 186, Entry 1486
Source: LDS Film 1849662
Baptism: 2 Jun 1872 St Oswald, Warton Nr Lancaster, Lancs.
Sarah Jane Johnson - Daughter of Edward Johnson & Emma
Abode: Carnforth
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J. A. Fidler, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1924, Page 17, Entry 135
Source: LDS Film 1849662
Baptism: 2 Jan 1871 St Oswald, Warton Nr Lancaster, Lancs.
William Johnson - Son of Edward Johnson & Emma
Abode: Carnforth
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John Atkinson Fidler, Curate of Carnforth
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1924, Page 3, Entry 23
Source: LDS Film 1849662
Burial: 12 Feb 1874 St Oswald, Warton Nr Lancaster, Lancs.
Edward Johnson -
Age: 36
Abode: Carnforth
Buried by: J. Atkinson Fidler, Curate
Register: Burials 1863 - 1895, Page 55, Entry 437
Source: Film 1849663
I used http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
and http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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Thanks Mike. All of the births are correctly registered as Conley. It is just the 1911 census which can't be put down to transcription error because it is signed as Savage.
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The births after 1911 are not recorded as Savage.
Name change appears to be just for the census
Births Sep 1913
Conley Kathleen -Johnson Chorlton 8c 1706
Births Dec 1915
CONLEY Winifred - JOHNSON Chorlton 8c 1336
Births Mar 1917
Conley Lily -Johnson Chorlton 8c 1308
1919
Conley Gladys - Johnson Chorlton 8c 1342
Conley May- Johnson Chorlton 8c 1342
1921
Conley John- Johnson Sunderland 10a 1365
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Death 1915
Conley Kathleen 2 Chorlton 8c 1129
Conley Winifred 0 Chorlton 8c 1124
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Ah Terence! Of course.
Thanks so very much for that Reggie.
All of this is just a theory at the moment until Bessie comes back and confirms the names of the children but it is looking more and more plausible.
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'Joseph' 1911 would be Terence Joseph whose birth and death I posted earlier
Splendid work, Astra
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So I was wondering if there was a reason for the possible name change and I came across this!
No idea what he did but he is in HM Prison Lancaster in 1901.
This could be why Bessie is alone with her daughter and claiming to be a widow.
First Name JOSEPH
Last Name CONNELLY
Relationship PRISONER
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 24
Year Of Birth 1877
Occupation BLACKSMITH'S STRIKER
Birth Town SHEFFIELD
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Birth Place -
Street -
Town -
Parish LANCASTER
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Lancashire
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward PARK
Registration District LANCASTER
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 3992
Folio 132
Page 1
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This is bothering me. I can match all of the births to the Conley children apart from Joseph born 1911. They say married 14 years 7 children born 6 living.
Name: Joseph Savage
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Roscoe Place
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Halker
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Piece: 23860
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Savage 34
Bessie Savage 34
Maud Savage 11
Agnes Savage 9
Maggie Savage 7
Elizabeth Savage 5
Fannie Savage 2
Joseph Savage 2/12
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Can't see ANY of them in 1911............weird!
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Name: Frances Counley
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1908
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1908
Parish: Chorlton upon Medlock, All Saints
Parish as it Appears: Chorlton on Medlock, All Saints
Father's Name: Joseph Counley>>>>Labourer
Mother's name: Bessie Counley
Reference Number: GB127.M320/1/1/6
I can't make out the address unfortunately. It is 1 something Court.
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For OCCUPATION..............as requested above
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name JOSEPH
Last Name CONELEY
Relationship BOARDER
Condition SINGLE
Gender Male
Age 14
Year Of Birth 1877
Occupation IRON TURNER
Birth Town -
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Birth Place -
House Name -
Street BRITTANIA ROAD
Town DARNALL
Parish ATTERCLIFFE CUM DARNALL
City SHEFFIELD
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District SHEFFIELD
Vessel Name -
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 3841
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