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Sorry folks, me again
I really think we are on the right track with Matilda from Garboldisham
BUT big BUT, did they make mistakes on marriage documents on the ages of couples who married. How can I find out for sure?
Was going to say would they have six children before tieing the knot?
These days I would have no problem with it but then....
Any ideas?
Chris x

Hi Chris Sorry just seen your new post - Thanks

(noticed below!)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Garboldisham
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 15 Feb 1789
Forename Henry
FatherForename Henry
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname COOPER
MotherSurname FOREMAN
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes HF son of Mary & Henry COOPER (spur: prol:)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


spu·ri·ous
1. Lacking authenticity or validity in essence or origin; not genuine; false.
2. Of illegitimate birth.

Thanks Chris

Firman, Foreman, Forman, Furman sp many different spellings

(looks a good result there!)

(first child below)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Garboldisham
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 19 Oct 1824
Forename Benjamin
FatherForename Henry
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname FORMAN
MotherSurname
Abode Garboldisham
FatherOccupation Laborer


Marriage
County Norfolk
Place Garboldisham
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 36
MarriageDate 08 Mar 1846
GroomForename Benjamin
GroomSurname FURMAN
GroomAge 21
GroomParish
GroomCondition Single Man
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Garboldisham
BrideForename Mary Ann
BrideSurname SMITH
BrideAge 21
BrideParish
BrideCondition Single Woman
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Garboldisham
GroomFatherForename Henry
GroomFatherSurname FURMAN
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename John
BrideFatherSurname SMITH
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname FURMAN
WitnessTwoForename Martha
WitnessTwoSurname FURMAN
Notes He signs X


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Garboldisham
Church St. John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 287
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 29 Apr 1826
Forename Martha
Sex F
FatherForename Henry
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname FIRMAN (entry also for Forman)
MotherSurname
Abode Garboldisham
FatherOccupation Labourer


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above)

Chris :)

Henry Firman, labourer, aged 36, born in Garboldisham, Norfolk, had worked in Garboldisham, married, now residing in Littleport
Date 5 April 1824

http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/calmview/

Hi Maureen
I am with you on this. She changed her mind on the censuses Norfolk on one Cambridge on the next.

I have just found a Gorleston in Suffolk, Norfolk
But Garboldisham is in Norfolk, Cambridgeshire

Garboldisham seems to tick both boxes

Hi Chris,

Somehow I managed to miss your previous update. Sorry.

Makes you want to scream,doesn't it? How frustrating for you. It really does look as though she (the mother) is the Matilda born in Garboldisham.....but I'm obviously biased.;-)

Maureen

Thanks Gwyn that is the birth cert that gave me Barrett as Mothers maiden name

You probably already have this.................

Name: Louisa Alice Holland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1871
Father's Name: Alfred Holland ..............................a labourer
Mother's name: Matilda Holland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Paul
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Family lived at 7 Elizabeth Place, North Pole Lane

Hi everyone.
I have received the birth cert for Matilda born 9/3/1869 in Deptford.
Father Alfred Holland. Mother Matilda Holland formerly Firman
I think it is now very probable that Matilda put her Mothers maiden name on my Great Grandads Arthurs birth cert. On closer look there is a dot above what looked like an o, so I believe Arthurs cert has also Firman and not forman.
Still cannot find marrriage.
I am now looking very closely to Maureens post regarding Firman & Barrett

Thanks, I have now sent off for Matildas birth cert

Would get the 1869 Matilda, as Reggie posted, see what that gives...

Chris :)

(noticed Rosina Hollands with Pucknells 1901, below relates to them)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church St Paul
RegisterNumber 1983
DateOfBirth 03 Jul 1893
BaptismDate 26 Jul 1893
Forename Ernest James Victor
Sex M
FatherForename Ernest
MotherForename Matilda
FatherSurname PUCKNELL
MotherSurname
Abode Douglas Street
FatherOccupation Lighterman

(from below link, you will also find Matilda, Garboldisham, as posted by Maureen earlier)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Any ideas where I can go now?

Louisa's birth cert says formerly Matilda Barrett

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)
Name:Louisa Alice Holland
Baptism Date:9 Apr 1871
Father's Name:Alfred Holland (Labourer)
Mother's name:Matilda Holland
Parish or Poor Law Union:Greenwich St Paul
Borough:Greenwich
Register Type:Parish Registers
(abode, 7, Elizabeth Place, North Pole Lane)

Saw above, as 1871 address.

Chris :)

Alfred married Harriet Waters in 1899 on marriage cert he is 52, a widower his father is James Holland - Carpenter

Alfred was Bachelor

You haven't answered the question about Alfred's status at the time of the marriage..............

IF.......and it's big IF.......they were both actually 32 when they married, it would make more sense

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name MATILDA
Last Name FOREMAN
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Age 4
Year Of Birth 1847
Occupation -
Birth Place -
Birth Town GARBOLDISHAM
Birth County NORFOLK
House Number -
House Name -
Street WISBECH ROAD
Town -
Parish LITTLEPORT
City -
County Cambridgeshire
Hamlet LITTLEPORT
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District ELY
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 1764
Folio 687
Page 48

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
HENRY FOREMAN HEAD 66 1785 GARBOLDISHAM Occupation AG LAB**********
MARY FOREMAN WIFE 46 1805 LITTLEPORT Image Transcription
MARTHA FOREMAN DAUGHTER 26 1825 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ELIZABETH FOREMAN DAUGHTER 18 1833 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ALFRED FOREMAN SON 15 1836 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
MARYANN FOREMAN DAUGHTER 14 1837 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
JAMES FOREMAN SON 11 1840 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
DAVID FOREMAN SON 9 1842 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
MATILDA FOREMAN DAUGHTER 4 1847 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ESTHER A FOREMAN GRAND CHILD 1 1850 LIT DOWNHAM

Grooms Father James Holland - Carpenter
I have James William Hollands born 1812 Greenwich married to Emma Davis in 1834 as Alfreds father