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hi mary . brigid's membership has lapsed for moment she's busy on Scottish sites ; she's my sis .sorry we don't have any information on your Smiths and don't go that far back . we were more interested in tracing descendents who may have photos of Nimrod gardiner + his children .

I have a very distant connection to Nimrod Gardiner - probably too distant to be of interest but in case it's of use to know more about his daughter's husband's line please contact me. (My connection is that Thomas Mawdsley's mother, Margaret Smith, was my 3g-grandfather's youngest sibling. I have a copy of Margaret's father's will, in which he leaves property to her.)

If you have any information on the Smiths of Bury, e.g. Margaret's father, as listed below, please let me know.

Baptism: 7 Jan 1781 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
James Smith - Son of Jacob Smith
Born: 1 Jan 1781
Abode: Redvs.
Register: Baptisms 1771 - 1782, Page 41, Entry 55
Source: Original Register

Elton, Burial Reg Entry No. 2786 Grave No. 2314 MI No. 57/15 James Smith Bury
Buried 15-Sep 1862 aged 81

Because that's where Margee says where the photos are

Pm sent

MGNV thanks for this extra information ...
Jax I don't have access to Ancestry ...but did get some info via a friend from there for initial research ...why do you ask ?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MAWDSLEY Thomas GARDINER Sarah Ann Bury, St.Mary Bury CE7/23/176

Sarah Ann + Thos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N2BQ-781 [with image link]

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1878 MAWDSLEY Mary Ann Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/44/15
1879 MAWDSLEY Richard Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/45/79
1881 MAWDESLEY Jane Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/47/67
1882 MAWDSLEY Nimrod Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/49/80
1884 MAWDSLEY Thomas Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/51/79
1886 MAWDSLEY Eleanor Bury South Bury GARDNER BS/54/16
1904 MAWDSLEY Sarah Ann Bury North Bury ARMSTRONG BN/83/92

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MAWDSLEY Mary Ann 2 Bury South Bury BS/31/38

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MAWDSLEY Eleanor 2 Bury South Bury BS/37/39

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
MAWDSLEY Sarah Ann 32 Bury South Bury BS/37/78

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MAWDSLEY Nimrod ARMSTRONG Sarah Ann Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended Bury RM/103/167

Deaths Sep 1904 (>99%)
MAWDSLEY Sarah Ann 21 Bury 8c 356


1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQXT-ZXL
[Sarah A Mawdsley a=25 pob=Birkenhead]


1891
Street 18 Boundary Street
Parish Bury
Town Bury
City Bury
County Lancashire
Country England
Municipal ward Moorside
Parliamentary borough Bury
Ecclesiastical district St Johns
Registration district Bury
Enumeration district 2
Series RG12 Piece number 3138 Folio number 28 Page 5

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Maudsley Head Widower Male 43 1848 Butcher Cheadle, Cheshire
Richard Maudsley Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Bury, Lancashire
Jane Maudsley Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Bury, Lancashire
Nimrod Maudsley Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Bury, Lancashire
Thomas Maudsley Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Bury, Lancashire


1901
House number 267
House name -
Street Bell Lane
Parish Bury
Town Bury
County Lancashire
Country England
Municipal ward East
Parliamentary borough Bury
Registration district Bury
Enumeration district 19
Series RG13 Piece number 3640 Folio number 88 Page 10

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Armstrong Head Married Male 47 1854 Hat Trimmer Whitehaven, Cumberland
Selina Armstrong Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Bury, Lancashire
Sarah Ann Armstrong Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Staylace Packer Bury, Lancashire
John Armstrong Son Single Male 17 1884 Iron Grinder Bury, Lancashire
Henry Armstrong Son Single Male 12 1889 - Bury, Lancashire
John Armstrong Son - Male 4 1897 - Bury, Lancashire
Nimrod Mawdsley Lodger Single Male 18 1883 Dye Works Carter Bury, Lancashire

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My mother + I would love to see some photos of this family to see if there are any family resemblences .margee says a member has 2 photos of james gardner on family tree but when i look up member photos all i can see is mostly "Gardner family " with no indication of names or dates so how would i know who to send a request to ?

thanks Kucinta ,that's a good deduction .

Relationships to head of household weren't described in the 1841 census, and ages of over 15s were meant to be. were rounded down to the nearest 5 years

Looking at the image, occupations are as follows:

Member of household Occupation/Employment/or of independent means

Susanannah Burbidge Ind.

Thomas Burbidge -

Ann Hickman F. S.

Mary Boyson .F. S.

George Gardner M. S.

Edward Gardner M. S.

My best guess is that F.S and M.S are female servant and man servant respectively, and that they worked for Ann Burbidge who was of independent means and that Thomas Burbidge was probably her son.

In a search for Nimrod senior b1827 I found a 1841 census page which I didn't understand

lt had his brothers George Gardner aged 15 , Edward Gardner aged 10, Thomas Burbidge aged 15,Susannah Burbidge aged 35 william Hall aged 15,Ann Hickman age 25

I couldn't see any way of telling how these people were related ,who was head of household or any professions ...any light to throw on this ?

Richard Gardner 1867b died in July 1879 morpeth docks fishing for crabs

Livepool daily post ; would they still issue a death certificate if his body was never found ??

William+ Eliza had a son Albert F gardner aged 6 on 1911 census
George married Ruth they are together in 1891 he's a railway ??
in 1911 Ruth 's a widow in Bristol ,a cook
Caroline died in 1893of phthisis in claytonst

Their parents Nimrod +Mary reached their late 80's. how many more of their children they outlived

brilliant work...in 1 day I now have some information about all the Nimrod.s children except ;2nd child Charlotte bHelsby 1852; and 6th George b,birkenhead 1863 he may have died 1906 aged 43

1 Sarah + no 8 Richard died young
3. nimrod junior m. Mary 1871 had 4 children;james .albert,nimrod
4 sarah ann m.thomas mawdleychildren ;richard 1879 +Jane1881
5.caroline m john roberts ;children Mary +Charlotte
7.Mary m thomas Hale 1906 Children ????
9William m Eliza Reed 1891
10 james m emily thompson1896 son fred james b1987 James died same year
11jane m joseph jones in 1896 had joseph gardner jones
nimrod william james ,jane lived in Birkenhead around turn of century ; :-)

1881 England Census about Nimrod Gardener
Name: Nimrod Gardener
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Gardener
Gender: Male
Where born: Helsby, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 87 Dacre St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Railway Shunter
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3576
Folio: 22
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Nimrod Gardener 29
Mary Gardener 28
James Gardener 10
Albert Gardener 7
Nimrod Gardener

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Thanks again have messaged the member with James + Emily on her tree

SAFC I meant I couldn't find Nimrod Junior b 1855 in 1881 also married to a Mary maiden name unknown
should be with his children Albert +James and maybe baby Nimrod

well done Maddie definitely the right William +Eliza

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name WILLIAM
Last Name GARDNER
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 30
Year Of Birth 1871
Occupation LABOURER IN TIMBER YARD
Birth Town BHEAD
Birth County CHESHIRE
Birth Place -
Street BROOK STREET
Town -
Parish BIRKENHEAD
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Cheshire
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward CLEVELAND
Registration District BIRKENHEAD
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 3390
Folio 189
Page 34

ELIZA GARDNER WIFE 29 1872 BHEAD
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

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poor little Fred James Gardner to lose his dad as a baby ; I hope Emily remarried .

It looks like Jane + Joseph Jones lived at home in 1901 so their 3 year old may just have been staying with his grandparents .

So that's some descendants to work on ...my mother will be pleased so many of them were still failrly local in 1901 when her mother was a baby In Birkenhead I'm trying to keep note of any street names that crop up + look them up on a 1909 street map i have

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name GARDNER
Age At Death 63
Year 1935
Event Quarter 1
Year Of Birth 1872
District BIRKENHEAD
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Page 641
Line Number 87
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

marriage

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name GARDNER
Country England
Record set Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910
Spouse First Name Eliza
County Cheshire
Spouse Last Name Reed
Year 1894
First Names William
Spouse Father's Name William Reed
Year Of Birth 1871
Date Of Marriage 01 Oct 1894
Spouse Age 22y
Parish St. Mary
Year Of Marriage 1894
Place BIRKENHEAD
City Or Town Birkenhead
Reference item 5 p 83
Record Group Part 1 - 1
Age 23y
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

could this be William
1911


1911 England Census about William Gardner
Name: William Gardner
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: K 16 Queens Bldgs
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration District Number: 452
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Piece: 22000
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gardner 40
Eliza Gardner 40
Albert F Gardner 6
John Cox 35

married 16 years

Thanks all just sorting thru and noting down to follow these new leads.
It seems odd that Nimrod went from being a railway plate layer in 1861 back to labourer in 1877 sarah ann's marriage
in 1881 he was a railway signalman