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In 1911, Edward and Mary claimed to have been married for 20 years........

Bessie's birth pre-dates that 'marriage', and isn't recorded as 'Stamp'

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
BALL Bessie Emily Chard 5c 410

That fits with the LODGER in 1911, whose name is actually Bertie BALL

Oh Reggie you are clever !!!!!!!!

I see Bessie did marry Herbert Wintle.

Nudge :-)

Why are you nudging?

Morning Reggie,

Put a nudge just in case anyone knows anyone/anything from the STAMP family

Sally :-)

Happy Easter
:-)

Taunton Courier, and Western Advertiser 18 February 1891

CHARD
An order was made against Edward James Stamp, of Cardiff, to pay 2s. per week towards the maintenance of the child of Annie Ball, single woman, of Chard.

Chris :)

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Ball Bertie Chard 5c 390


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Bertie Ball
Gender:Female (?)
Baptism Date:5 Jun 1890
Baptism Place:Charlton-Mackrell, Somerset, England
Mother: Annie Ball


Name:Bessie Emily Ball
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:11 Feb 1888
Baptism Place:Charlton-Mackrell, Somerset, England
Mother:Annie Ball

He was with an Annie in 1901 but Mary in 1891 & 1911 - did he live a dual life?

The 1891 census was taken 5 April so a couple of months after that newspaper article.

His wives per the census:

1891 - Mary born 1851 Bristol
1901 - Annie born 1871 Chard
1911 - Mary born 1861 Bristol (obviously lopped a lot of years off to hide the age difference).

Certainly looks as though he left Mary for Annie but then went back to her.

Got a good chance to be his marriage to Mary:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Edward James Stamp
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 724

Records on Page:
Name
Mary Jane Davies ??
Peter Fraser
Mary Gowing ??
Edward James Stamp

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name BESSIE
Last Name BALL
Relationship GRANDDAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1888
Age 3
Occupation -
Birth Town -
Birth County SOMERSETSHIRE
Birth Place -

House Name -
Street SILVER STREET
Town -
Parish CHARD
City CHARD
County Somerset
Registration District CHARD
Vessel Name -

Archive Reference RG12 Piece Number 1893 Folio 48 Page 27

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age
ANNIE BALL DAUGHTER 1871 20
BERTIE BALL GRANDSON 1891 0
SARAH NORMAN HEAD 1826 65
BEATRICE POTTER GRANDDAUGHTER 1885 6
ELIZABETH POTTER DAUGHTER IN LAW 1855 36
KATE POTTER GRANDDAUGHTER 1881 10

His wife in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name MARY
Last Name STAMP
Relationship BOARDER
Condition SINGLE
Gender Female
Age 50
Year Of Birth 1851
Occupation -
Birth Town BRISTOL
Birth County GLOUCESTERSHIRE

Street CAIRNS STREET
Town CARDIFF
Parish ST JOHN
Country WALES
County Glamorganshire
Municipal Ward CATHAYS
Registration District CARDIFF

Archive Reference RG13 Piece Number 4978 Folio 89 Page 35

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
ELLEN T BILINGS WIFE 44 1857 TAUNTON
JOHN BILINGS HEAD 38 1863 WELLINGTON
LILY A NORTH NIECE 10 1891 TAUNTON

The marital status column for the whole household on the image looks as though it was left blank and pencilled in later.

As previously mentioned, Mary seems to have lopped years off her age on the 1911, the 1891 and the 1901 both show her born 1851.

I think it's highly unlikely she is the mother of 1 year old William who is on the 1911, I think it's also unlikely she's the mother of the younger children.

I think Florence May could be the daughter called Mary on the 1911, but shown with her correct name on the 1901:

"Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900"
Name: Florence May Stamp
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1904
Event Place: Cardiff St. John, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: 14 Merthyr St
Age:
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Annie <<<<


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Florence May Stamp
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1897
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 358

EDIT: The image for the 1911 shows her as Florry, not Mary.

"Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900"
Name: Lily Maud Stamp
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1904
Event Place: Cardiff St. John, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: 14 Merthyr St
Age:
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Annie <<<<


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lily Maud Stamp
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 395

"Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900"
Name: Annie Stamp
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1900
Event Place: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: 40 Robert St
Age:
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Annie <<<<


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Stamp
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1900
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 363

(Don't know where she is in 1901?)

"Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900"
Name: Beatrice Maud Stamp
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1904
Event Place: Cardiff St. John, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: 14 Merthyr St
Age:
Occupation: Lab
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Annie <<<<

The following is hypothesis based on the 1890 marriage I posted earlier:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name MARY
Last Name GOWING
Relationship WIFE
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 34
Year Of Birth 1847
Occupation -
Birth Town BRISTOL
Birth County GLOUCESTERSHIRE

House Number 23
Street PETER STREET
Town -
Parish BRISTOL ST PETER
County Gloucestershire
Country ENGLAND
Registration District BRISTOL

Archive Reference RG11 Piece Number 2467 Folio 42 Page 7

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
JOHN GOWING HEAD 39 1842 ST.JUDES BRISTOL - Master Blacksmith
JOHN GOWING SON 18 1863 REDCROSS ST. BRISTOL
THOS GOWING SON 13 1868 NEW S. BRISTOL
..................................................................................................................

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1890
Gowing John 49 Bristol 6a 16

John Gowing's probate states he left around £153

I would certainly be buying a copy of that 1890 marriage cert to check it out, but I do think it's them. I can't find a death that fits for a Mary Gowing post 1881, and can't find anyone that fits on the 1891.

I don't think Edward James Stamp had any children at all with Mary - the 1871 & 1881 census shows her to have been born 1846/1847 so she was even older than originally thought - no way did she have a baby in 1910 at around age 64. The children born and died next to her name on the 1911 quite possible relate to her first marriage.

So what happened to Annie? I did find this marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1902 )
Ball Annie Chard 5c 648
Beviss Fred Chard 5c 648
Smith Harry Chard 5c 648
Turner Kate Chard 5c 648

The 1911 confirms Fred Beviss married Kate Turner. I haven't the patience to check out all of the Annie Smiths in the 1911.

But if that marriage was right then who was popping out the Stamp children?

This death might be closer to the truth, age wise:

Deaths Dec 1919
Stamp Mary 75 Cardiff 11a 419

Burial (Find My Past)
BEATRICE MAUD STAMP
Burial Day 21
Burial Month 5
Burial Year 1904
Age 3
Place CARDIFF
County Glamorganshire
Church Denomination ANGLICAN
Church Description ST JOHN

Chris :)