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Hi Melissa,
I think we connected a long time ago when I was researching the Barkes, but we concluded there was no connection.. however, looking at what you have now found, you are definitely describing my family!
I have been doing a bit more digging, and I think I may have solved the mystery of what happened to Edith Barke, nee Cooper. There are two Edith Barkes listed as marrying after 1901...I've a feeling maybe the marriage between Edith Cooper and Frederick Barke broke up and they both remarried, although I can't find any mention of a divorce...but that may have been quite common back then when divorce was expensive and difficult. It may explain why the daughters were unknown in my family, if they sided with their mother perhaps? Also, they were a bit older and might have been living independently by then. I'd have to look in a bit more detail at my notes, but if you are still out there Melissa...I'll let you know what I found.
Katherine Ashton (nee Barke)

Thanks Ricochet. I have a note of Fred Charles and wondered if he was linked, given date and area (and there are a number of twins in the Barke family). Will look further into that. Fred Snr is noted as being a widower on 1901 census (I think, don't have my info to hand) and also on his marriage cert to Caroline, but that doesn't necessarily mean he WAS a widower! If Edith did go into an asylum with no chance of parole as it were, then it makes sense (although that could be a fatal mistake lol!), especially given the secrecy re her.

Prickles, thank you for that info. I didn't realise that patients would be registered just under their initials. Maybe it is just deemed to be a mystery forever! Oh if only we could go back in time!!!!

Name:Gertrude Barke
Estimated birth year:abt 1883
Age:18
Spouse Name:
Bertram Frank Moyse
Spouse Age:20
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:9 Jun 1901
Parish:South Lambeth St Stephen
Borough:Lambeth
Father Name:Frederick Barke
Spouse Father:William Moyse
Register Type:Parish Register

(Witnesses on above, Frederick Barke, Edith Mary Barke, occ. of Father, Foreman)

Chris :)

He is a widower when he marries Caroline and Melissa has said she has the birth cert for Frederick jnr

Baptism (Find My Past)
First Name GERTRUDE
Last Name BARKE
Baptism Day 9
Baptism Month May
Baptism Year 1888
Mother's Given Name Edith
Father's First Name Frederick
Parish Holy Trinity, Vauxhall Bridge Road
Birth Day 2
Birth Month Jan
Birth Year 1884
Place HOLY TRINITY, VAUXHALL BRIDGE ROAD
County Middlesex
Record set Westminster Baptisms
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

(same time, Frederick Charles born March 31 1888, abode, 61, Bessborough Place, occ. of Father, Assistant in Linen Drapers)


Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
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BARKE Frederick Charles 0 St Geo H Sq 1a 285

(looks to relate also)

Chris :)

Hi Melissa

If you are considering an Asylum.........you might want to take into consideration that institutions very often listed inmates just using initials instead of full names.

I have searched for an E B.........on the 1901 and 1911 census and there are quite a few to choose from!

Prickles.

How did Frederick describe his status when he married Caroline?

Do you have Frederick jnr's birth certificate?

Oh I'd hate to think of her as an unknown death!

These are a bit of mystery (although there are a few within the Barke Family!!) There are largish gaps between some of the children which could well indicate deceased siblings that I have yet to tie in with the family, but I am beginning to wonder, given that Caroline was passed off as mother and grandmother and no mention was ever made of Edith, if there is something more afoot. The sisters were also never know of by Frederick Jnr and subsequent family. I am beginning to wonder if an asylum is involved, which could explain possible gaps, also why the girls are with their father when they were younger and why the denial of Edith in later years. I'm not sure where to look for those records. I love a good mystery, just hope I can solve it though, even partly! :-S

Yes I know that Caroline was his second wife, but as you didnt give any dates and said her name was Elizabeth it was not so easy to find them straight away.

Not seeing a death either....maybe she just went missing and after so many years she was presumed dead? so he was allowed to re marry

There are plenty of unknown people on the death registers

Oh you are all fab! I really didn't expect such prompt replies! And you've sorted out some others for me too :-D

Jax, Caroline is his second wife. I would like to think that she (Edith) did actually die (haven't found a death cert yet) but as no-one in the family knew about Edith, Frederick Jnr was passed off as Caroline's and in fact Frederick's son had no idea that she wasn't his real grandmother, I am wondering if there is more to the story than meets the eye.

Now I just have to work out whereabouts Louis fits on the tree (I think he is a sibling of my ancestor).

Thank you so much, again.

Missie

Probably the child who died....


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Louis Frederick Barke Name:Louis Frederick Barke
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1893 Registration district:
Tendring
Inferred County:Essex
Volume:4a
Page:561



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Louis Frederick Barke Name:Louis Frederick Barke
Estimated birth year:abt 1893
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1893
Age at Death:0
Registration district:Tendring
Inferred County:Essex
Volume:4a
Page:331

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Louis Barke Name:Louis Barke
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration district:Tendring
Inferred County:Essex
Volume Number:4a
Page Number:625

Records on Page:
Louis Barke
Emily Gilbert



1911 England Census
about Louis Barke Name:Louis Barke
Age in 1911:50
Estimated birth year:abt 1861
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish:Great Clacton
County/Island:Essex
Country:England
Street address :Cemetery Lodge, Cemetery Rd, Great Clacton, Essex
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Naval Pensioner Caretaker
Registration district:Tendring
Registration District Number:197
Sub-registration district:Clacton


Household Members:

Louis Barke 50
Emily Barke 42
Emily Rosie Barke 18
Ada Lilian Barke 16

(3 children born, 2 living, 1 had died)



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Louis Barke Name:Louis Barke
Birth Date:abt 1860
Date of Registration:Dec 1924
Age at Death:64
Registration district:Tendring
Inferred County:Essex
Volume:4a
Page:677



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Louis Barke Name:Louis Barke
Probate Date:26 Feb 1925
Death Date:4 Oct 1924
Death Place:Essex, England
Registry:Ipswich

Of Corin Bocking Elm, Great Clacton, Essex.

To Emily Barke widow.

Effects: £323 12s 11d

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Barke (Spinster) 4 Marlborough Square
Estimated birth year:abt 1852
Age:21
Spouse Name:Eugene William Corani (Bachelor) Clark....2 Draycott Street
Spouse Age:24
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:30 Nov 1873
Parish:Chelsea St Luke
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name:Louis Barke (Painter) Deceased
Spouse Father:William Corani (Proffesor of Music)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: J E Hole and Annie Meredith



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Barke Name:Sarah Barke
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Registration district:St George Hanover Square
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1a
Page Number:732

Records on Page:
Sarah Barke
Thomas Chalmers



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Ellen Barke Name:Ellen Barke
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1879
Registration district:St George Hanover Square
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1a
Page Number:821

Records on Page:
Ellen Barke
William Chalmers

You are correct Marie.

Fathers occupation on the baptism records is "Painter"......I have edited.

Transcribed as "Burke" on the 1861........


1861 England Census
about Sarah Burke Name:Sarah Burke
Age:33
Estimated birth year:1828
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Louisa Burke
Gender:Female
Where born:Laughton, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish:Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish:St Jude
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address: 10 St George
Registration district:Chelsea
Sub-registration district:Chelsea South

Household Members:

Louisa Burke 37 (Painter)
Sarah Burke 33
Elizabeth Burks 9
Sarah Burks 7
Frederick Burks 5
Ellen Burks 3
Louis Burks 6/12



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Louis Barke Name:Louis Barke
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1865
Registration district:St George Hanover Square
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:210

The father's name on both of his marriages is given as Frederick. However, if his father died when he was very young then he may not have known his name and therefore assumed it was the same as his own.

I also looked at that multiple baptism and think the father's occupation is "painter" (not printer) which is consistent with the occupation on the marriages.

1851 England Census
about Louis Bark Name:Louis Bark[Louis Barke]
Age:27
Estimated birth year:abt 1824
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Sarah Bark
Gender:Male Where born:
Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish:Belgrave
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England

Street address: 4 St George's Row
Registration district:St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district:Belgrave

Household Members:

Louis Bark 27 (Painter)
Sarah Bark 24



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Clarke Name:Sarah Clarke
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1851
Registration district:Kensington Inferred County:
London
Volume Number:3
Page Number:269

Records on Page:

Sarah Clarke
Louis Barke

6 Barke children all baptised on the same day.........


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Frederick Barke Name:Frederick Barke
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:22 Mar 1866
Father's Name:Louis Barke (Painter) Deceased
Mother's name:Sarah Barke
Res: 10 Lower George Street.
Parish or Poor Law Union:Chelsea St Jude
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers


Also on the page...

Sarah
Ellen
Louis
Jane
Alice.......



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Alice Barke Name:Alice Barke
Estimated birth year:abt 1865
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1867
Age at Death:2
Registration district:Chelsea
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:135

According to an Ancestry tree Frederick's parents were Louis Barke b 1824 and Sarah Clarke who married in 1851 Kensington. Louis died in 1865
You can view this tree is this free link

https://www.mundia.com/gb

This info matches the "possible" in 1871 census in your own research