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Hello

I have this family in 1861:

Piece: RG9/2150 Place: St Philip -Warwickshire
Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Jude
Folio: 15 Page: 24 Schedule: 103c
Address: 4 Hse 5 1/2 Crt Old Inkleys

HAGAN John Head M M 53 Bricklayer Ireland - -
HAGAN Bridget Wife M F 53 Ireland - -
HAGAN Mary A. Dau U F 16 Button Maker Warwickshire - Birmingham
HAGAN Thomas Son U M 13 Caster Warwickshire - Birmingham

I wonder if anyone can find them for me in 1851 and 1871, please.
Bridget Hagan possibly died in 1870 in which case obviously will not be on the 1871.

I am trying to find a connection with Catherine Gallagher née Hagan; a Bridget Hagan was the godmother of Catherine's daughter Catherine at her christening in 1860 according to the certificate from the church.

Thank you
Beverley

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John Hagan, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: John Hagan
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Ireland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-District: St Martin
Parish: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Hagan M 60 Ireland
Wife Bridget Hagan F 56 Ireland

As no-one has yet found them in 1851 I am assuming they are not obvious under the information from 1861.

Have you found possible births for Mary and Thomas in Birmingham?

What other reason have you for choosing that family in the census in 1861?

Thank-you

Added:
just as a possible:
Mary Hagan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1845
Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 16 Page: 337

This is a possible (St Jude parish) - Bridget could be a second wife:

1851 England Census
Mary Egan
Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Egan Mother's name: Ann Egan
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 109 Piece: 2055 Folio: 199 Page Number: 35
John Egan 40 Ireland
Ann Egan 39 Ireland
John Egan 21 Ireland
Sarah Egan 14 Birm
Michael Egan 12 Birm
James Egan 10 Birm
Mary Egan 6 Birm
Thomas Egan 3 Birm
Ellen Egan 1 Mo Birm
Mary Egan 28 dau-in-law
Thomas Egan 4weeks (?) grnson
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2055; Folio: 199; Page: 35; GSU roll: 87314.

Patchem thanks for your interest.

I have long been on the track of Catherine Gallagher's parents, Hugh and Catherine, born in Ireland but married in Birmingham in 1854. Catherine senior's maiden name on the marriage cert. is HAGGART, father Patrick, but I have never been able to find any Haggarts in Roscommon. I got the christening certificate of Hugh and Catherine's daughter Catherine junior, my great-great grandmother recently and saw that the mother's name was stated to be Catherine Gallagher née Hagan and the godmother was Bridget Hagan.
Catherine was illiterate so wouldn't know if her name was spelled correctly or not.

There is only one Bridget Hagan in Birmingham in 1861 as far as I can see, the wife of John as posted above.

If Catherine Sr. was a Hagan, she would presumably be related to John Hagan rather than Bridget.

It is a very fanciful long shot to be looking at this family but this is my longest-standing brick wall and any chance of knocking a hole in it is worth investigating.

I cannot see a birth for a Thomas Hagan in Birmingham around 1848 and only the Mary Hagan (with no middle name) in 1845 who you already found.

Thank you safc, I'm not so sure about that 1871, the ages are way out. Is there an occupation for John?

There are so many possible mis-spellings, Hagen, Hagon, Haggen etc. and it's only whistling in the wind anyway but I would love to crack this puzzle.

Thanks for looking!

Beverley


PS Have to sign off now but will check back in the morning.

This might be the Ellen of 1851:
Births Mar 1851
EAGAN Ellen Birmingham 16 418

(Just throwing out random 'hits')

Hmm it's a needle in a haystack job indeed.
There are two deaths for an Ann Hagan in Birmingham in the right timescale but no marriage fro John with a Bridget that I can see.
It would help if I could find christening records for some more of Hugh and Catherine's children but no luck with that either.
Thanks anyway.

Beverley

Hi Beverley,

Could you please give us all the details from that 1854 marriage cert, including witnesses.

Do you have this couple on any census that we could look at?

Thanks,

Dea x

Is this the right family? (for reference):

1861 England Census about Catherine Gallagher
Name: Catherine Gallagher
Age: 10/12
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Hugh Gallagher
Mother's name: Catherine Gallagher
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 2145
Folio: 73
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Gallagher 32 Lab (bricklayers) b Ireland
Catherine Gallagher 28 b Ireland
Mary A Gallagher 5
Sarah Gallagher 3
Catherine Gallagher 10/12 children all born Birmingham


Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2145; Folio: 73; Page: 27; GSU roll: 542925.


Dea x

Do you not have Catherine's birth cert?

Dea x

Hello Dea

You have the right 1861 census.

In 1871 they are in Green Street, Deritend, Aston with additional children Hubert (8), Elizabeth (7). Francis (5), Margaret (3), Rose (2 months).

In 1881 they are in the same place, but Hugh has died (so has baby Rose).

Name: Catherine Gallagher
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rosscommon, Ireland
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 21 Green Street
Marital Status: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: No Trade
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3012
Folio: 119
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Gallagher 46
Mary Ann Gallagher 25
Sarah Gallagher 23
Catherine Gallagher 20
Hubert Gallagher 18
Elizabeth Gallagher 17
Francis Gallagher 15
Margarett Gallagher 13


I don't have Catherine junior's birth certificate. She is registered as GALAGHER .

I have a very faint copy of Catherine senior's marriage certificate, dated 24th July 1854 in St. Peter's, Birmingham.
Hugh Gallagher aged 23 a labourer, father Michael Gallagher, labourer
Catherine HAGGART aged 22 father Patrick Haggart a weaver.
I'm afraid the witnesses' names are not clear enough to read on the photocopy but they are definitely not Gallagher, Haggart, Hagan or anything like.

I think this is a hopeless task given the discrepancy in spelling of the names. I only resurrected this branch of the family because of the curious reference to Hagan on Catherine's christening certificate - I have never been convinced that Haggart was her mother's true surname. I can't even find all the children on FreeBmd let alone on familysearch.

If Hagan = Haggart, it's another possibility that the mysterious Bridget was Catherine senior's sister, but that's another impossible task!

Thanks for your interest.

Marriages Jun 1864

Egan Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 289
Hogan John Birmingham 6d 289




1871 England Census

Name:Mary A Hogan

Age:25

Estimated birth year:abt 1846

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:John Hogan

Gender:Female

Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish:Birmingham

Ecclesiastical parish:St Jude

County/Island:Warwickshire

Country:England

Registration district:Birmingham

Sub-registration district:St Philip

ED, institution, or vessel:7

Household schedule number:99

Piece:3112

Folio:27

Page Number:20

Household Members:

John Hogan 28
Mary A Hogan 25
John Hogan 8
Patrick Hogan 2
Charles Hogan 4 Months



Edit: There is no birth registered for a Mary Ann Egan in Birmingham for the approximate birth year

Birmingham, England, Burials, 1813-1964

Name:Thomas Hagan

Birth Year:abt 1844

Burial Date:5 Aug 1844

Burial Place:
Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England

Burial Age:
7/12

Father:
John Hagan

Mother:
Bridget Hagan

Reference Number:DRO 34/95

Archive Roll:M125


Wonder if this another child to John & Bridget

This fits with Patchem' 1851 posting


1841 England Census

Name:Bridget Edgen

Age:30

Estimated birth year:abt 1811

Gender:Female

Where born:Scotland (Ireland on the image)


Civil Parish:Birmingham

Hundred:Birmingham

County/Island:
Warwickshire

Registration district:Birmingham

Sub-registration district:St Phillip


Piece:1146

Book:6

Folio:25

Page Number:10

Household Members:


Name

Age

John Edgen 37
Bridget Edgen 30
Machle Edgen 3
Henry Edgen 9
John Edgen 12
Jame Edgen 3 Mo <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Catherine Edgen 14
Sarah Edgen 5




Births Jun 1841
Hagan James Birmingham 16 333

Thanks everyone, I will try and get my head round this.
The long and short of it is, whether Catherine senior is a Haggart, a Hagan or an Egan, she appears to have had a relative called Bridget in Birmingham in 1860! I thought I might be able to find the connection but unfortunately it seems to be impossible to narrow the field down.
In due course I might apply for a couple of birth certificates but I'm not even sure if it's worth the money!
Cheers
Beverley

If you think about the 'accents'

They may have had a strong accent

Their words may have been misinterpertruded

Beverley, this might be a red herring, but just in case it's linked - I note you said you couldn't find any Haggarts in Roscommon:

1861 England Census
Name: Patrick Haggart
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Bridget Haggart
Gender: Male
Where born: Roswrimon, Ireland

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood

Patrick Haggart 28
Bridget Haggart 29
Mary A Haggart 5
Elizabeth Haggart 3
William Haggart 1
Bernard Geraghty 26

Jan

Just to add, looks like they married in Birmingham

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
Clarke John Birmingham 6d 259
Dowd Winifred Birmingham 6d 259
FALLAN Bridget Birmingham 6d 259
Haggart Patrick Birmingham 6d 259

Oh wow Jan!
That is fantastic. I have looked for Haggarts before but never found that record.
Catherine's father was a Patrick.
There is a very good chance that this Patrick is her brother and therefore the mysterious Bridget could be her sister-in-law.

Can you by any chance look on Ancestry to see if the marriage record is there?
If Patrick's father is another Patrick, and a weaver, he is the right one. That certificate may well be worth investing in.

I see that Patrick and Bridget have another son Samuel in 1862.

Many thanks!

Daughter baptism



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Name:Elizabeth Haggarty

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:26 Jul 1857

Baptism Place:St Chad, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Father:
Patritii Haggarty

Mother:
Birgittæ Follen Haggarty

FHL Film Number:1999522



Don't you just love the name variations!