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Reggie posted Llewellyn's death earlier, I'm positing that Connie is Freda, and that Connie is a diminutive of her middle name Cornwall.

Well, I did say it was a reach...

Mmm maybe .... but where is Freda and Llewellyn in 1911?


I thought maybe Elizabeth had been married twice but Baker was a christian name


Name:
Elizabeth Alberta Baker Carey

Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1863
Registration district:Winchcomb
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:6a
Page:339

???

A Baker- Carey marriage

BAKER Thomas CAREY Sarah Cheltenham Winchcombe St Peter 1870 2 8

If Heather wishes to pursue this with accuracy, she will need to obtain a copy of the birth cert for Freda

BUT..........she didn't comment on all the info, so perhaps she doesn't wish to.

???

Possible birth for Elizabeth Alberta Baker Carey?

As mother was also Carey, was Elizabeth A B illegitimate, but given the third name Baker because it was her father's?

And she chose to consider Baker as her rightful maiden name.?

OK, reaching again....

CAREY Elizabeth A B CAREY 1863 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 10 132

Births Sep 1863 CAREY Elizabeth Alberta Baker Winchcomb 6a 339

Full info for 1911



First Name CONNIE
Last Name JONES
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1905
Age 6
Occupation -
Address GLOUCESTERSHIRE ST WINCHCOMBE
Parish WINCHCOMBE
County Gloucestershire
Country ENGLAND
Where Born GLOS WINCHCOMBE
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 15505
Census Reference RG14PN15505 RG78PN944 RD332 SD1 ED9 SN110
Registration District WINCHCOMB
Registration District Number 332
Sub District GUITING
Enumeration District 9
SubDistrict Number 1


First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born
RICHARD JONES HEAD 1860 51 GLOS CAMPDEN Image Transcription
ELIZABETH JONES WIFE 1864 47 GLOS WINCHCOMBE Image Transcription
THOMAS JONES SON 1886 25 GLOS WINCHCOMBE Image Transcription
NORA JONES DAUGHTER 1895 16 GLOS WINCHCOMBE Image Transcription
GLADYS JONES DAUGHTER 1899 12 GLOS WINCHCOMBE Image Transcription
CLIFFORD JONES SON 1904 7 GLOS WINCHCOMBE Image Transcription
DOROTHY JONES GRAND-DAUGHTER 1906 5 LONDON Image Transcription

12 children.......4 have died

???

That couple had been married for 29 yrs in census 1911, I know bride's surname is Carey not Baker, but she has Baker as a name...

JONES Richard CAREY Elizabeth Alberta Baker Cheltenham Winchcombe Register Office Closed 1882 1 159

Marriages Jun 1882

CAREY Elizabeth Alberta B Winchcomb 6a 723
Jones Richard Winchcombe 6a 723

Mike* - re that 1911, I know it's a bit of a stretch, but could 'Connie' be a diminutive for her middle name Cornwall?

OK, It's reaching....

Found them ...but no Freda so probably wrong family

1911

Richard Jones 51
Elizabeth Jones 47
Thomas Jones 25
Nora Jones 16
Gladys Jones 12
Clifford Jones 7
Connie Jones 6
Dorothy Jones 5

Keep coming back to this in 1901 but can't find same family in 1911



Name:
Gladys Jones
Age:1
Estimated birth year:abt 1900

Relation to Head:Daughter
Father:Richard Jones
Mother:Elizabeth A Jones

Birth Place:Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish:Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish:Winchcombe St Peter
Town:Winchcombe
County/Island:Gloucestershire

Registration district:Winchcombe
Sub-registration district: Guiting <<<<


Richard Jones 40 - BAKER
Elizabeth A Jones 37
Thomas Jones 15
Winnie Jones 11
Nora Jones 6
Gladys Jones 1

So, do you intend to pursue the family links?
You have not acknowledged the info found for you.
Have you tried researching at all?

My mother was bought up by 2 nurses in worcester, not related.? Fostered but not on Banardos records.My mother has past away and it was then that on her birth certificate it occured to us she was illegitimate and maybe her mother,
( Freda) had not died at child birth as the story went but maybe went on to marry etc a

The other twin's death ...


Llewellyn E C Jones

Birth Date:abt 1902
Date of Registration:
Dec 1918 Age at Death:16
Registration district:Winchcomb
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:6a
Page:861

As suggested by the GlosBMD records.........the boys were twins

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)

Jones Llewellyn Edward C Winchcomb 6a 432
Jones Victor Harold P Winchcomb 6a 432

Further confirmation..........

Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
Jones Gladys Baker Winchcomb 6a 436

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Jones Victor Harold P 0 Winchcombe 6a 279

Heather Ann -
I think your best bet will be to buy a copy of the Winchcomb birth cert (details posted by several of us above), to find out her parents' names - or at least her mother's.

Then come back to your thread and let us know what it says, so that we can perhaps find her with her mother in 1911.

Or maybe find her mother before Freda's birth.

Gins

Charlton Kings is some distance from Winchcombe

Siblings


JONES Gladys B JONES JONES BAKER 1899 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 22 215
JONES Llewellyn E C JONES JONES BAKER 1902 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 23 51
JONES Victor H P JONES JONES BAKER 1902 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 23

So, did she raise your mother?