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Witness's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
COOK Sarah Bethnal Green 1c 397 Scan available - click to view
Kemp James Bethnal Green 1c 397 Scan available - click to view
**Rogers Abigail Bethnal Green 1c 397 Scan available - click to view
**Tallack Edward Henry Bethnal Green 1c 397 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Abigail was his sister - she appears on the 1851 census which I posted above !

Name: Edward Tallack
Spouse: Abigail Rogers
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1869
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Tallack
Spouse Father: Isaac Rogers .............deceased !!
Register Type: Parish Register
address for both - 4 Pollard Row.

Father Isaac was alreaady deceased!

Dea x

Dear,
Saying the name could be Rodrigues is also answering some questions.
My dad said his father was Jewish.
When I was growing up I was told Rogers was not with a (D).
maybe this was the reason.

Many thanks Sam

This appears to be where they have got the Rodrigues from??


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tilley Street, Christchurch, Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Isaac Rodrigues Male 25 1816 Middlesex, England
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Rebecca Rodrigues Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
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Joseph Rodrigues Male 3 1838 Middlesex, England
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Abraham Rodrigues Male 1 1840 Middlesex, England
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Mordecai Rodrigues Male 0 1841 Middlesex, England


Dea x

Although Isaac isn't listed, could these marriages be related to the family?

http://synagoguescribes.com/blog/searchres

GSM 109/41 - RODRIGUES Sarah Marriage 1807 [21 Jul
GSM 208/21 - RODRIGUES Rebecca Marriage 1822 [20 Feb]
GSM 219/49 - RODRIGUES Rachel Marriage 1823 [20 Aug]
GSM 252/22 - RODRIGUES Esther Marriage 1828 [5 Mar]
GSM 252/23 - RODRIGUES Abigail Marriage 1828 [12 Mar]
GSMa 100/31 - RODRIGUES Rebecca Marriage 1850 [10 Feb]
GSMa 109/90 - RODRIGUES Hannah Marriage 1850 [4 Aug]
GSM2 124/68 RODRIGUES Esther Marriage 1851 [20 Aug

there may be other records for Rodrigues on the site

Note when searching that Mordecai (from the 1841 census above) was registered as Rodrigue'Z' at birth :

Births Jun 1841 (>99%)
Rodiguez Mordecai Stepney 2 426

Dea x

Thank you Dea,for taking the time to help me.
I just came to a stop I didn't know where to look.

(if your Rebecca)

Chris :)

RODRIGUES, Rebecca 1861 (Spouse Father Mother) Isaac
Novo (New) Cemetery
Bevis Marks Records Part VI Serial No: 7149

(from below, JewshGen, very useful, but you need to join to see a lot of records)

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgform.php


http://www.az.co.uk/?nid=354&featureid=1873&zoom=3

(location of Bevis Marks, lots of info. on google)

Chris :)


edits (if you check 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here under 'Search') other Genes Members look to be sharing)

1891


Name: Samuel Rogers
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 258
Folio: 139
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Rogers 36, Cabman / Groom
Elizabeth Rogers 40
George Rogers 11
Isaac Rogers 12
Hassa Rogers 10
Esther Rogers 1

Esther Rodrigues Rogers
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 245

That's a nice one Roots - it ties in both names, giving more credence to the possibility of the name change !!! :-D

Austin's find of the City Admission Papers on page 1 also supports it !

Dea x

Yes, it does Dea. I'm hanging on your coat tails here. You did a great job knocking that wall down. Well done! :-)

Son George's marriage?

George Rogers
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age: 26
Spouse: Emma Carter
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Feb 1904
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Samuel Rogers, Horse Dealer
Spouse Father: William Carter
Register Type: Parish Register


One of the witnesses was a Louisa Howard

Son Isaac's marriage.

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Name: Samuel Isaac Rogers
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 31
Spouse: Sarah Ann Jane Meggs
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 May 1910
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Samuel Rogers, Horse Dealer
Spouse Father: Henry Meggs
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses Thomas Howard and Louisa Howard

Wow, this is moving on- great work.

Presume this is them in1881:

Name: Manuel Rogers
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: London City of, London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 8 Bell Lane
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 436
Folio: 36
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Manuel Rogers 27 Carman City of London
Elizabeth Rogers 30 Whitechapel
George Rogers 4 Spitalfields
Isaac Rogers Younger Than 1 (Looks more like 1 1/2) Spitalfields

Well done Austin! I couldn't find them in 1881.

Have you spotted any of them in 1901 yet please?

Can't see them yet- there seems to be lots of confusing trees on Ancestry.

I am still looking at all the new info you all have sent me.
I don't think
the 1881 is right I am looking for Sam, not Manuel and Isaac his father.
not Isaac as the son.
Thank you anyway for your help.
Sam

Sam- I think the Manuel is a mistranscription of Samuel

The Children match those on the 1891 census. They are possibly the children from his first marriage.

Austin,
That makes sense.I will look into it.
I have been sent one with Sam marrying Elizabeth Howard
in1875 and his father named as Isaac horse dealer.

Isaac horse dealer is what is on his second marriage certificate to my gran
Minnie in manchester in 1905.

Could someone find out Sam married Elizabeth Howard in 1875 Bethnal Green.
If this is right when did she die was there any children and when did Isaac Sam's
Father die.