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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Patrick Alexander Lindsay Name:Patrick Alexander Lindsay
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Registration district:Woolwich
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1d
Page Number:2196

Records on Page:

Ellen Dixon
Patrick Alexander Lindsay

Patrick in 1901

1901 census transcription details for: 19, Sladedale Road, Plumstead

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 574
Folio: 117
Page: 17
Reg. District: Woolwich
Sub District: Plumstead East
Parish: Plumstead
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: St Mark
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Sladedale Road, Plumstead
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LINDSAY, Patrick Head Married M 34 1867 Blacksmiths Forge LabourerWoolwich
LINDSAY, Ellen Wife Married F 27 1874 Scotland
LINDSAY, Alexander Son Single M 13 1888 Plumstead
LINDSAY, Nellie Daughter Single F 11 1890 Plumstead

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Civil Registration event: Death

Name: LINDSAY, Patrick A
Registration district: Brighton
County: Sussex
Year of registration: 1950
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 82
Volume no: 5H
Page no: 123

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Nelly Maud Lindsay Name:Nelly Maud Lindsay
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1889
Registration district:Woolwich
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:1233

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
COWING Robert Milburn Coventry 6d 1052
LINDSAY Nellie Maude Coventry 6d 1052


Household transcription
1911 census


Person: COWING, Nelly Maud
Address: 110 Orchard Road Plumstead

COWING, Robert Milburn Head Married M 32 1879 Town Postman Plumstead Kent VIEW
COWING, Nelly Maud Wife Married3 years F 21 1890 Plumstead Kent VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2908
Reference: RG14PN2908 RG78PN100 RD30 SD4 ED4 SN233
Registration District: Woolwich
Sub District: Plumstead East
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Plumstead
Address: 110 Orchard Road Plumstead
County: London

1911 census transcription details for: 33 Prospect Row Woolwich

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2870 RG78PN98 RD30 SD2 ED13 SN193
Reg. District: Woolwich
Sub District: Woolwich
Parish: Woolwich
Enum. District: 13
Address: 33 Prospect Row Woolwich
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SUTER, John Richard Head Married M 39 1872 Coal Porter Woolwich Kent
SUTER, Christina Wife Married 19 years F 38 1873 Woolwich Kent
LINDSAY, Aleander Nephew Single M 23 1888 Coal Porter Plumstead Kent
SUTER, John Edward Son Single M 17 1894 Coal Porter Woolwich Kent
PIXTON, Albert Boarder Single M 17 1894 Coal Porter Woolwich Kent

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Marriages Jun 1893

King Susan Annie M W.Ham 4a 32
Nutland James W. Ham 4a 32
Nutland Janes W. Ham 4a 32
Spratt Christina Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 32
Suter John Richard W. Ham 4a 32

Illustrated Police News
Publication date:Saturday 24 January 1880

SHOCKING OCCURRENCE AT PLUMSTEAD
At Plumstead, on Saturday morning, a man named Alexander Lindsay was preparing to tar a fence at 50, Raglan Road, Plumstead, at half past nine o' clock on Saturday morning and placed a pot containing tar upon the kitchen fire to heat it. Whilst his attention was otherwise engaged, the tar boiled over and ignited, and Lindsay, hoping to save the house from destruction, took the blazing vessel in his hands and carried it out of doors. His hands, face and head were fearfully burnt, and the tar splashing over his clothes, he was aflame from head to foot, until the neighbours came to his assistance and drenched him with water. The burns having been judiciously covered with flour and cotton wool, the unfortunate man was conveyed in a cab to the workhouse infirmary, where he remains in a precarious state. Meanwhile, the fire had entirely destroyed the back portion of the house, and rendered the whole of it untenantable. Lindsay is a labourer in the Royal Gun Factories, and about fifty years of age.

(could relate?)

Chris :)

I saw that 1911 and wondered how Alexander could be connected to John or Christina.

I thought perhaps that his father Alexander's first "wife" (I can't find a marriage to Nellie) Nellie...might be the sister of either John or Christina.

However, looking through the census records.....neither John or Christina appear to have a sister called Nellie.

Oh dear!!

This appears to be his death...

??

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
LINDSAY Alexander 44 Woolwich 1d 854

Lindsay Alexander
Burial date 1880
Kensal Green Location
Kensal Green Cemetery (Kensington and Chelsea)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Dymott
Helenora
Burial date 16 January 1911
Royal Borough of Greenwich - London
Plumstead Cemetery (Greenwich)

Chris :)

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 (Find My Past)

First name(s): Alexander
Last name: LINDSAY
Calculated year of birth: 1831
Parish of birth: Killowen
Town of birth: Coleraine
County of birth: Derry (Londonderry)
Age at attestation: 18 years 6 months
Discharge date: 12 January 1849
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Gunner & Driver
Discharge corps: Royal Artillery
Discharge soldier number: 3128
The National Archives reference: WO97

There are 4 images available for this soldier

(if him, Trade, Labourer, Place of Discharge, Woolwich. Served 4 yrs West Indies, discharge in consequence of being unfit for further service from "Disease of the Lungs")

Patrick Alexander's first marriage (Nellie)??

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Lindsay Patrick Alexander Woolwich 1d 1645
Spratt Ellen Jane Woolwich 1d 1645

Christina's sister, PricklyHolly???

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
SPRATT Ellen Jane Woolwich 1d 889

Can't see Samuel anywhere after 1881, I'm afraid, Rose.

Can't see his mother Mary after 1881, either.

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
Spratt Christina Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 1036

Looks like Christina and Ellen were sisters after all.
Their mother Mary was born in Chatham - same on all censuses below. Children's names vary quite a bit.

1871 England Census about Ellen Spratt
Name: Ellen Spratt
Age: 7 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Spratt
Mother's name: Mary Ann Spratt
Gender: Female
Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Plumstead
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Plumstead, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 793
Folio: 58
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
William Spratt 29 - dealer
Mary Ann Spratt 24 - born Chatham <<<<<
William Spratt 4
Martha Spratt 3
Ellen Spratt 7 Months
Ellen Rooke 10 - sister (???)


1881 England Census about Priscilla Spratt
Name: Priscilla Spratt
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William Spratt
Mother: Mary Spratt
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 4 Mount Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 747
Folio: 110
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Spratt 37 - Coke contractor
Mary Spratt 34 - born Chatham
William Spratt 14
Mary Spratt 12 (Martha?)
Elizabeth Spratt 11
Catherine Spratt 8 (Christina?)
Priscilla Spratt 6
Agnes Spratt 4
James Spratt 2



1891 England Census about Christina Spratt
Name: Christina Spratt
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Willm E Spratt
Mother's name: Mary Spratt
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1341
Folio: 152
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm E Spratt 49 - greengrocer
Mary Spratt 45 - born Chatham, Kent
Martha Spratt 23
Christina Spratt 18
Ada Spratt 14 (Agnes?)
Jack Spratt 13 (James?)
George Spratt 9

Have not found Samuel or Mary either, nor Patrick Alexander and family in 1911. Must be someone around if the Coventry marriage of daughter Nellie Maude is correct! Alexander seems to have lost a few years for his death to be registered aged 44 in 1880.

Oh jolly good!

Well done for finding the Lindsay/Spratt marriage ArgyllGran.

Hi Chris Ho, wow thank you, wondered if there would have been something in a newspaper etc. Alexander died 7th Feb 1880,cause of death Exhaustion consequence on severe burns received accidentally. Inquiry 9th Feb 1880. I only know that Alexander was born Northern Ireland but finding him listed was out of my depth. If there is no other Alexander Lindsay listed of the same age and discharged Woolwich, think the details you have given seem a good bet? Buried Kensal Green Cementry seems a bit far, expected him to be buried nearer Woolwich where he lived! His wife Mary was also Irish but I have no idea where she came from bcos the entry on census returns just state Ireland.

Not a nice way to die!!

Re Priscilla in 1881 census -

Can't see any birth for a Priscilla Spratt.
Ancestry suggests she is Phoebe Spratt, in which case there's another Suter link:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Phoebe Spratt
Name: Phoebe Spratt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1875
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 968



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Phebe Spratt
Name: Phebe Spratt
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1876
Father's Name: William Edward Spratt
Mother's name: Mary Ann Spratt
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Phoebe Spratt
Name: Phoebe Spratt
Age: 7
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1875
School: Vicarage Road School
Borough: Greenwich
Admission Date: 19 Jun 1882
Parent: William
Notes: Vicarage Road School (0535) opened in 1881. Closed in 1928 having been an infants school only from 1923
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/VIC/AD/003


London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Phoebe Spratt
Name: Phoebe Spratt
Age: 8
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1875
School: Vicarage Road School
Borough: Greenwich
Admission Date: 24 Mar 1884
Parent: William
Notes: Vicarage Road School (0535) opened in 1881. Closed in 1928 having been an infants school only from 1923
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/VIC/AD/003



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Phoebe Spratt
Name: Phoebe Spratt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1895
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 28
Records on Page:
Name

Phoebe Spratt
Fred Walter Suter



1901 England Census about Phoebe Sater
Name: Phoebe Sater
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Frederick W Sater
Birth Place: Woolwich, London, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Charlton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 568
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick W Sater 32
Phoebe Sater 24
Elsie F Sater 4
Frederick W Sater 2
William G Sater 8 Months



1911 England Census about Phoebe Suter
Name: Phoebe Suter
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Plumstead
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Martyrs Passage, Woolwich
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 2868
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Walter Suter 41
Phoebe Suter 35
Elsie Phoebe Suter 14
Frederick Walter Suter 12
William Edward Suter 10
Elizabeth Suter 8
Florence Lilian Suter 6


Are Frederick and John Suter brothers??

Yes they are!


1881 England Census about Fredrick Suter
Name: Fredrick Suter
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Suter
Mother: Elizabeth Suter
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 1 Prospect Row
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 744
Folio: 31
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Suter 40
Elizabeth Suter 38
Fredrick Suter 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John R. Suter 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George I. Suter 5
Albert P. Suter 3
William H. Suter
George Young 11
William W. Suter 15

Hi ArgyllGran, Patrck and Alexander's mother Mary went to live with their sister Lucy(known as Louisa) in West Ham according to the 1891 census and she died 1895 West Ham, Thank you so much for all your help.

Also want to thank Stuart and PricklyHolly for all the information you have found for me

Too much to digest at the moment, need to sit quietly and put it all together.

You have all been fantastic. , Many, Many thanks

Rose

PATRICK ALEXANDER LINDSAY married ELLEN DIXON JULY 1896 WOOLWICH KENT
1901c Patrick Lindsay 34
Ellen 27
Alexander 13
Nellie 11

Cannot find 1911c

1918 and 1919 census shows he is with Helen ? I have looked on BMD but cannot find another marriage, nor a death of his wife Ellen.

Do you think that Ellen decided to use the name Helen?

Patrick died 1/3/1950 in Brighton, Helen died 27/12/1965 also in Brighton.


While I am on the same family I saw that on the 1937 census Patrick and Helen
living 167 Westmount Road S.E.9 there was also Eleanor Lindsay in same property. Only gives names and address cannot tell if people are related.
Can you help me please?

Also found marriage ELENAOR LINDSAY with ERNEST W SMITH APRIL 1941 Brighton

Thank you
Rose

for info

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

19, Sladedale Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Lindsay Head Married Male 34 1867 Blacksmiths Forge Labourer Woolwich, Kent, England
Ellen Lindsay Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Scotland
Alexander Lindsay Son Single Male 13 1888 - Plumstead, Kent, England
Nellie Lindsay Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Plumstead, Kent, England