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11 Mar 2014 10:53 |
Hi guys... have tried dealing with this myself but getting quiet frustrated now..
I have a William C Gibson born c1814 in Sutton by Ashfield. Northampshire who has married a Sarah ?
They had 4 children.. Mary A Gibson born Barleston Leicester 1844 Sarah J Gibson 1846 Leicester, Samuel 1848 " and John in 1851 ".
Traced a marriage for a William Charles Gibson to a Sarah Smith in Barleston 1842(same place as daughter Marys birth in 1844)
According to the 1851 1861 1871 and 1881 census William C Gibson was a "framework Knitter" he is on the 1851 census with wife Sarah and all his children.
On the 1861 census he is just with his 2 sons Samuel and John. Where is Sarah (assuming his 2 daughter are either married or left home)
I cant find William on the 1841 census.. And I am trying to trace his parentage. According to the 1851 census Sarah was born in Ibstock Leicester and aged 20 (which I think must be an error as this would make her 13 when she gave birth to Mary who is aged 7)
Help!!!! :-S
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11 Mar 2014 11:01 |
For ref
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Charles Gibson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 Oct 1842
Marriage Place: Barlestone,Leicester,England
Spouse: Sarah Smith
FHL Film Number: 952304
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Dea
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11 Mar 2014 11:02 |
The 1851 image shows her as 28 :
1851 census transcription details for: South Gate Street, St Marys, Leicester Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2090 Folio: 711 Page: 8 Reg. District: Leicester Sub District: West Leicester Parish: St Marys Enum. District: 9P Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Leicester Address: South Gate Street, St Marys, Leicester County: Leicestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GIBSON, William C Head Married M 36 1815 Frame Work Knitter Sutton Ashfield, Nottinghamshire GIBSON, Sarah Wife F 28 1823 Wife Ibstock, Leicestershire GIBSON, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844 Scholar Barlestone, Leicestershire GIBSON, Sarah I F 5 1846 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire GIBSON, Samuel Son M 3 1848 Scholar Huglescoate, Leicestershire GIBSON, John Son M 0 (3 MOS) 1851 Leicester, Leicestershire KINTON, Alice Lodger F 20 1831 Glove Stitcher Desford, Leicestershire
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11 Mar 2014 11:07 |
There is this Sarah in the 1861 census (but seems strange to have another son called Samuel):-
1861 census transcription details for: Main Street, Barlestone
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2265 Folio: 13 Page: 20 Reg. District: Market Bosworth Sub District: 2 Ibstock Parish: Barlestone Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Main Street, Barlestone County: Leicestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GIBSON, Sarah Head Married F 40 1821 Charwoman Barlestone, Leicestershire GIBSON, Clara Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Barlestone, Leicestershire GIBSON, Samuel Son M 0 (14Days) 1861 Barlestone, Leicestershire
Could Sarah have left William and had these two children with someone else??
Kath. x
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11 Mar 2014 11:17 |
Could this possibly be her with 2 other children?
1861 census transcription details for: Main Street, Barlestone Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2265 Folio: 13 Page: 20 Reg. District: Market Bosworth Sub District: 2 Ibstock Parish: Barlestone Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Main Street, Barlestone County: Leicestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GIBSON, Sarah Head Married F 40 1821 Charwoman Barlestone, Leicestershire GIBSON, Clara Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Barlestone, Leicestershire GIBSON, Samuel Son M 0 (14D) 1861 Barlestone, Leicestershire
It looks as though there may be another person in the property, though he is not classed as being in the same household.
That person is:
Charles Wood, a widower aged 66 - a Bakers Shopkeeper born in Kirk ??ton, Derbyshire.
Dea x
EDIT - Sorry, I didn't refresh the page and Kathleen has already posted the same family. ;-)
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11 Mar 2014 11:22 |
On the 1871 census William is recorded as "married" and on the 1881 census he is a widower. Could this be Sarah's death? :-
Name: GIBSON, Sarah Registration district: Leicester County: Leicestershire Year of registration: 1879 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 56 Volume no: 7A Page no: 136
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KathleenBell
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11 Mar 2014 11:25 |
This looks like the birth of the Samuel Gibson who is with a Sarah Gibson in the 1861 census as a 10 day old baby:-
Name: GIBSON, Samuel Registration district: Market Bosworth County: Leicestershire Year of registration: 1861 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 7A Page no: 80
I wonder who is named as his father?
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11 Mar 2014 11:31 |
Looks like mitht be the christening Kath but no father mentioned.
Name: Samuel Gibson Gender: Male Christening Date: 01 Jun 1862 Christening Place: Wesleyan Methodist, Hinckley, Leicester, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Gibson Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02267-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1469442 Reference ID: Page 27 No.211
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KathleenBell
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11 Mar 2014 11:33 |
This looks like the birth of the other child with Sarah on the 1861 census:-
Name: GIBSON, Clara Registration district: Market Bosworth County: Leicestershire Year of registration: 1852 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 7A Page no: 75
Is there a christening record for Clara? Is a father named for her? If no father mentioned again perhaps she DID leave William.
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11 Mar 2014 11:48 |
Can't see one Kath
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11 Mar 2014 11:54 |
Looks like Sarah 'was' living with Charles Wood as she and Samuel now have his name, though Charles has got a little younger ;-)
1871 census transcription details for: Newbold Road, Barlestone Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 3241 Folio: 14 Page: 22 Reg. District: Market Bosworth Sub District: Ibstock Parish: Barlestone Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Newbold Road, Barlestone County: Leicestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born WOOD, Charles Head M 56 1815 Derbyshire Baker and Shopkeeper. WOOD, Sarah Wife F 50 1821 Leicestershire WOOD, Samuel Son M 10 1861 Leicestershire
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11 Mar 2014 12:08 |
Gosh!!! Now I am getting confused... William C Gibson is on the 1861 census with sons Samuel and John....No wife or daughters. John was just 3 months on the 1851 census...
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11 Mar 2014 12:12 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Wm. Charles Gibson
Gender: Male
Baptism Date:1 Feb 1814
Baptism Place:Sutton IN Ashfield,Nottingham,England
Father: John Gibson
Mother: Phebe
FHL Film Number:504537
Edit: Looking at his siblings births, he is the youngest of many children to the couple
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11 Mar 2014 12:19 |
This loo like the parents marriage
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:Phebe Burton
Gender:Female
Marriage Date:1796
Marriage Place:Sutton In Ashfield, Nottingham, England
Spouse:John Gibson
FHL Film Number:503820
Reference ID:2:ZQP0SS ___________________________________
Mothers birth?
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:Phebe Burton
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:1773
Baptism Place:Sutton IN Ashfield, Nottingham, England
Father: William Burton
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number:503820
Reference ID:- 2:ZQHCCG
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11 Mar 2014 12:28 |
Now then! - either we have a bigamous marriage here or 'that' Sarah Gibson we found on 1861 is not the one we were searching for !!
Marriages Jun 1866 BOOT Elizabeth Leicester 7a 334 BRADSHAW John M Leicester 7a 334 **GIBSON Sarah Leicester 7a 334 **Wood Charles Leicester 7a 334
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11 Mar 2014 12:33 |
Looky here!
1841 England Census Name:William Gibson
Age:25
Estimated birth year:abt 1816
Gender:Male
Where born:Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Market Bosworth
Hundred:Sparkenhoe
County/Island:Leicestershire
Registration district:Market Bosworth
Sub-registration district:Ibstock
Piece:602
Book:2
Folio:7
Page Number:8
Household Members:
Phoebe Gibson 65 William Gibson 25
Address is given as Barleston
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11 Mar 2014 13:30 |
Wow!!!! you guys are amazing... :-D
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KathleenBell
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11 Mar 2014 13:34 |
Well done Gins. Just come back to this thread after lunch.
William Gibson in the 1841 census is a Stocking Maker which ties in with being a Framework Knitter.
Looks like you've found what Treemadnancy was looking for.
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11 Mar 2014 13:37 |
Will try and suss out the births Clara and Samuel in 1861 and see if its to Sarah Gibson (ne Smith) or will it not say?? Might be an idea to see if the first Samuel born 1858 has died before 1861
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11 Mar 2014 13:38 |
Sorry guys I just remembered he is already on the 1861 census with his father and brother John...
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