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My GGM Sarah Plant b. 1857 in Salop came north to Rochdale where she married (?) James Butterworth b.1844 in Rochdale. Listed in 1881 census as married, they had 4 daughters. The 4th, my GM Dora b.1891 the month after the census which lists Sarah as Widowed.
My Problem:- I can find no record of their marriage ~1880, his birth ~1844 or his death 1890/91, both in rochdale or her death 1928 ( as my father remembered it ) or subsequent remarriage.
Is anyone else researching Ellis or Butterworth in Rochdale. I have 7 generations of Plants back to 1705 and 5 generations of Ellis back to 1832but this one has had me stumped for several years, Ancestry.com has failed me, can genes help please.
Hopefully Phil :-(

Welcome to the boards Phil

Name: Sarah Plant
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1882
Registration District: Rochdale
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 8E
Page: 74
Line Number: 4


Sarah Plant probably married one of the following people
Name: Venables Butterworth

Name: Reginald Butterworth
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 06 Jun 1888
Christening Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Venables Butterworth
Mother's Name: Sarah Jane Butterworth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01177-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1656224
Reference ID: item 2 p 481

Name: Annie Butterworth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 06 Jun 1888
Christening Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Venables Butterworth
Mother's Name: Sarah Jane Butterworth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01177-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1656224
Reference ID: item 2 p 481

connection????????????

Name: Venables Butterworth
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 13
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Rochdale, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Rochdale
Sub-District: Castleton Without
Parish: Castleton
County: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Henry Heape Butterworth M 48 Rochdale, Lancashire
Wife Anne Butterworth F 46 Hounet, Shropshire
Son Reginald Butterworth M 20 Rochdale, Lancashire
Daughter Lucy Butterworth F 18 Rochdale, Lancashire
Daughter Lena Butterworth F 16 Rochdale, Lancashire
Son Venables Butterworth M 13 Rochdale, Lancashire
Visitor Kathleen Lees F 20 Hounet, Shropshire
Servant Jane Reeves F 26 Ellesmere, Shropshire

Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
BUTTERWORTH Venables 28 Oldham 8d 399

Name: James Lowton
Spouse's Name: ... Butterworth
Event Date: 23 Apr 1662
Event Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Lowton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04793-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545748
Reference ID: Item 3

Name: ... Butterworth
Spouse's Name: Jana
Event Date: 21 Nov 1625
Event Place: Rochdale, Lancaster, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04792-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545748

Hi Ellis and welcome to the GR message boards.

For ref, 1901

Sarah Butterworth 42
Emily Butterworth 20
Annie Butterworth 18
Lizzie Butterworth 17
Lily Butterworth 15
Dora Butterworth 10
Alice Butterworth 2


Andy

Name: ... Diggle
Spouse's Name: ... Butterworth
Event Date: 26 Dec 1781
Event Place: Rochdale, Lanchashire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04790-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545749

Name: Fred Bamford
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1912
Registration District: Rochdale
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Butterworth
Volume: 8E
Page: 115
Line Number: 7


Butterworth probably married one of the following people
Name: Ellen Butterworth

Listed on this cenus as Married but no wife listed on the census.


1871 England Census about James Butterworth
Name: James Butterworth
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Butterworth
Mother's name: Sarah Butterworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Rockdale
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 287
Piece: 4119
Folio: 28
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
James Butterworth 58
Sarah Butterworth 56
Ellen Butterworth 28
James Butterworth 27**********************
William Butterworth 24
Sarah Butterworth 21
John Butterworth 19
Ann Butterworth 17
Alfred Butterworth 14

This death would match age, but its a very common name in the area

Deaths Sep 1928 (>99%)
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Butterworth Sarah 71 Rochdale 8e 21


Andy

There are lots of James Butterworth births in Rochdale.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish View Image
Name: James Butterworth
Birth: Jan 1844 - Rochdale, Lancashire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish View Image
Name: James Butterworth
Birth: Apr 1844 - Rochdale, Lancashire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish View Image
Name: James Butterworth
Birth: Jul 1844 - Rochdale, Lancashire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish View Image
Name: James Butterworth
Birth: Jul 1844 - Rochdale, Lancashire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish View Image
Name: James Butterworth
Birth: Oct 1844 - Rochdale, Lancashire

Found this.

Marriage solemnized at the register office in Rochdale, Lancashire, on Nov 28, 1882 - Venables Butterworth 24 & Sarah Plant 22. He is bachelor & she is a spinster. His occupation is a Gentleman. He resided at 39 Ivy Cottages on Milkstone Rd; she at 14 Heights Lane. His father is Henry Heap Butterworth, dec'd, a cotton spinner & her father is Benjamin Plant, a gardner. Witnesses were Maria Plant & Charles M.Smith

So this one was born 1858 roughly and Sarah Plant was born 1860.

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: BUTTERWORTH, James
Registration district: Rochdale
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 43
Volume no: 8E
Page no: 17

I know Dora wasn't born until 1891 but stranger things have happened and there was another daughter Alice born much later.

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Going back to the marriage of Venables Butterworth as far as I can see Venables was his mothers maiden name. I wonder if his second name was James and they used that?? It is just a thought.

I have seen this marriage cert on Ancestry in a tree.