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Gary

Gary Report 22 Feb 2014 19:56

Can anyone help me find when and where my mother , Georgina Lilian Page, was born. Estimated to be about 1897 1899. From her marriage certificate I see that her father's name was Henry Page. She is not shown in the 1901 or 1911 Census.
Family folklore is that she was born on a ship from India where her father was "with" the Indian Army. She was married twice and Henry's profession was listed on one marriage certificate as an Electrical Engineer and the other, Interpreter.

Very difficult to do Family History research if you can't go beyond your mother!!!

Thanks
Gary

:-( :-( :-( :-(

patchem

patchem Report 22 Feb 2014 20:06

Have you any information on where and when she died?

Thank-you

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 22 Feb 2014 20:37

Their is a birth for her in 1899 Lambeth on findmypast

Roy

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 22 Feb 2014 20:41

From Freebmd's

she appears to have switched her forenames around for the marriage


Births Mar 1899
Page Lilian Georgina Lambeth 1d 326

Roy

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 22 Feb 2014 21:03

?????

It does look more like Lilian E than Lilian G on the image unfortunately:


Census 1901:

Address: 44, Medina Road, Islington County: London

PAGE, Henry J Head Married M 33 1868 Electrical Engineer
St Pancras, London<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PAGE, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 33 1868 St Pancras, London
PAGE, Alice M Daughter Single F 9 1892 St Mary Islington, London
PAGE, Mabel E Daughter Single F 7 1894 St Mary Islington, London
PAGE, Dorothy A Daughter F 5 1896 St Mary Islington, London
PAGE, Lilian E Daughter F 3 1898 St Mary Islington, London<<<


EDIT: Scrub that - she's Lilian Emily:

!911

Address: 44 Medina Road County: London

PAGE, Henry John Head Married M 43 1868 Instrument Maker Telegraphs P O Kentish Town London
PAGE, Elizabeth Alice Wife Married 21 years F 43 1868 Camden Town London
PAGE, Alice Maud Daughter Single F 19 1892 Mantle Maker Islington London
PAGE, Mabel Elizabeth Daughter Single F 17 1894 Milliner Islington London
PAGE, Dorothy Ada Daughter Single F 15 1896 Dressmaker Islington London
PAGE, Lilian Emily Daughter F 13 1898 School Islington London<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PAGE, Phyllis Marjorie Daughter F 1 (18 MONTHS) 1910 Islington London
MITCHELL, Hannah Mother In Law Widow F 70 1841 North Mimms Hatfield

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Feb 2014 21:49

Name: Page
Gender: Female
Christening Place: England
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1878
Birthplace: Merchant Marine, at Sea, Great Britain
Mother's Name: Rachael Page
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01403-7
System Origin: Great Britain-EASy and VR
GS Film number: 1419470
Reference ID: 2453, 111

Gary

Gary Report 22 Feb 2014 21:49

Thank you for your helpful suggestions.

Unfortunately, Lilian Georgina born Mar 1899 Lambeth is not her, neither is Lilian Emily . Lilian Emily married someone called Gent and she was still alive under this name in 1951 when her father, Henry J Page wrote his will.

Georgina Lilian died 5 May 1958 in Southend under the names Winifred Lillian Mitchell. She had given the hospital these names on admittance. I visited her in hospital and registered her death. So I know it was my mother. I have all the certificates for the birth of her nine children from her two marriges and also details from London Polling registers, all of which show her as Georgina Lilian.

Any ideas where I can look up maritime births?

Gary

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Feb 2014 21:53

Name: Lilian Georgina Page
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1899
Registration District: Lambeth
County: London
Event Place: Lambeth, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1D
Page: 326
Line Number: 335

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Feb 2014 21:54


Lilian Georgina Page, "England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index, 1837-1920"
Name: Lilian Georgina Page
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1905
Registration District: Woolwich
County: London
Event Place: Woolwich, London, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 1D
Page: 2119
Line Number: 233


Lilian Georgina Page probably married one of the following people

Name: Albert Henry Edwards
Name: Thomas Henry Kirton

Gary

Gary Report 22 Feb 2014 21:54

AnnCardiff

Many thanks. I think this will be too early, but I will check.

gary

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Feb 2014 21:55

Name: Lilian Page
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Mar 1898
Christening Place: All Saints, Wimbledon, Surrey, England
Birth Date: 25 Jul 1885
Father's Name: Henry Page
Mother's Name: Annie Page
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01889-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1278894
Reference ID: item 15 p 114

Gary

Gary Report 22 Feb 2014 22:25

AnnCardiff

Many thanks. I think this will be too early, but I will check.

gary

patchem

patchem Report 23 Feb 2014 08:11

Google search gives:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/bmdatseaorabroad.htm

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Feb 2014 10:16

Gary - did your mother have any siblings that you are aware of?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Feb 2014 10:26

The National Archives link refers you to the indices on FindMyPast so I checked them out.

There are "At Sea" births which cover 1854 to 1887 so they're too old.

The Maritime Births covers 1867 to 1960 - there are 2 Page births in 1893 and one in 1895, no gender or first names stated.

You say your grandfather Henry J Page was still alive in 1951 - have you thoroughly researched him? If not can you give us his birth and death years?

Gary

Gary Report 23 Feb 2014 10:26

patchem

Many thanks this opens up a whole new area to examine.

Gary

Gary

Gary Report 23 Feb 2014 10:33

MarieCeleste

Many thanks. I am beginning to think that I should examine the India records to try to track down my grandfather HENRY PAGE. The Henry J Page I referred to was not my grandfather. he was the father of Lilian Emily Page who some people have mistaken for Georgina Lilian Page. I used Henry J Page's will to show that Lilian Emily and Georgina Lilian were not one and the same person.

Gary

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Feb 2014 10:43

Sorry Gary, yes I've re-read what you post and see what you mean.

OK, so back to my earlier question - did your mum have any brothers and sisters that you know of?

Do you know anything else about her father?

patchem

patchem Report 23 Feb 2014 11:08

Why do you think she used Winifred Lilian when she entered hospital?

Thanks

Gary

Gary Report 23 Feb 2014 12:25

MarieCeleste

My apologies I missed out the answer in my last posting. No I have no knowledge of her having any brothers or sisters. The only thing I know about my Grandfather, Henry Page is that he was shown as being an Electrical Engineer when Georgina married her first husband on the 28 May 1919 and as an Interpreter when Georgina married my father on the 2nd June 1928.

Gary