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I am trying to find the Death & Will of Eleanor De Casabianca, she was originally Eleanor Richardson daughter of James Richardson & Harriet Suter she was born the 14th Dec 1839 in Kempton Brighton, she went onto marry William Howard the Earl of Wicklow in 1863 and after his death she was involved in a notorious court case called the Wicklow Peerage Case, after this she married Louis Victor De Casabianca, they had a son Louis Xavier De Casabianca in b1874 - d1959 Thrapston Northants, I am unable to find any trace of Eleanor or her husband after 1874, having searched all english records that i can, it maybe they lived in France, but i would like to find a will for her or her husband she also may have had another son by her first marriage to William Howard, my connection maybe through that child William George Howard b 15.5.1864, and his connection to the Clegg family from London, if anyone has access to french wills or deaths or may have come across this family I would be very grateful for any info, thankyou

Have you tried googling?

French BMD records are not centralised.............you'd have to know the area in which the death is likely to have occurred

What do you hope to prove?

Where did the son grow up?

I am going by one of those famous family rumours that we were related to the Howards - the Earls of Wicklow, we think the child in the peerage case MAY have been my gt grandfather - Ralph Clegg this is going by research done by my grandmother in the 1970's , i have her research papers from them and now with the beauty of the internet have been to expand on it, my grandmother was so conivnced by the family stories she was told she employed a researcher to help in the days before computers.
I am not sure where the 2nd son Louis Xavier grew up we have my gt grandfather Ralph on censuses with his family through the years though he did run away to sea after being beaten up by his supposed father William Clegg for which William was imprisoned !

It is just an inkling that Eleanor died in France, but we haven't a clue where its seems her and her husband disappeared from England they were fairly wealthy so I think there would have been a will somewhere , but without knowing when Eleanor died can't send to the probate office in this country to find it. have searched on the wills available on ancestry etc and have been unable to find one for her or her husband, and looked at old newspapers, the Wicklow Peerage case is very well covered by the newspapers of the time the was even an old book written about the case, but doesn't mention the Clegg family anywhere in it.

Wonder if they also had a daughter?

Name: Marie Louise C De Casbianga
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1877
Registration District: Lewisham
County: London
Event Place: Lewisham, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1D
Page: 974
Line Number: 367

Do you have a birth cert for Ralph Clegg?

Where and when was he born?

Neither Eleanor nor Louis appear on this French site - though I'm not sure how exhaustive its coverage is:

http://www.jeanlouis-garret.fr/actes/index.php/A

There could have been a daughter thankyou for the details I will send for the birth cert,

Yes we have a birth cert for Ralph 7.8.1863 parents William Clegg - boot closer & Sarah Lowman 7Garden Row, West Stockwell, Brixton Sry

thankyou for your interest everybody

There are some trees on Ancestry with Louis Victor and Marie Louise.
But they're private trees - you would have to contact the tree owners.

Louis was dead by Sept 1926.
If anyone has a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive, there's this article:


Derby Daily Telegraph Derbyshire, England

21 Sep 1926
TOWN AND COUNTY GOSSIP

Mr. Palmer- Morewood is the only son of the late Mr. and Mrs. C. R. Palmer-Morewood, and a grandson of the late Lord Arthur Hervey, Bishop of Bath and Wells. Miss de Cas is a grand-daughter of the late Louis Victor de Casabianca and the Hon. Ellen Howard

That newspaper report will relate to this:

Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)
De Cas Mary F E Palmer Morewood Marylebone 1a 1247
De Casabianca Mary F E Palmer-Morewood Marylebone 1a 1247
Morewood Rowland C A P De Casabianca Marylebone 1a 1247
Palmer-Morewood Rowland C A De Casabianca Marylebone 1a 1247

Her full name is Mary Forbes Eleanor de Casabianca, according to this:
http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I151434&tree=Nixon

Thankyou for that I have access to that will have a look and the marriage might be able to trace forward and find some living relatives, yes the main source of the trees on ancestry is myself and my cousin her tree is on there we are making a joint effort to trace this elusive family, thanks again for your help

This maybe a complete red herring??

All Census & Electoral Rolls Results
1891 England Census about Florence Casabianca
Name: Florence Casabianca
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
[Brighton, India]
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: sculptor

Condition as to marriage: widow

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 32
Folio: 47
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age


Too many to post.

thankyou for that will have a look into it later

This is Florence in 1871, so it's nothing linked with Eleanor,

Name: Florence Casabianca
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Emile Casabianca
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 111
Folio: 20
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Emile Casabianca 34
Florence Casabianca 37
Beatrix Casabianca 7
Walter Casabianca 4
Sarah Evans 31
Harriet Hanks 19

?????

Historical Records
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about Louis De Casabranca
Name: Louis De Casabranca
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Age: 10
Arrival Date: 18 Apr 1885
Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Lusitania
Nationality: Foreigner

Historical Records
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Louis Howard De Casabianca
Name: Louis Howard De Casabianca
Father's Name: Louis Victor De Casabianca
Spouse Name: Adela Harriett Croft
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Woolley Broadstock Croft
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1901
Marriage Place: Transfiguartion Church Gawler South
Registration Place: Port Gawler, South Australia
Page Number: 738
Volume Number: 209


I doubt very much that Louis Jnr was in Australia by himself

The daughter,

All Immigration & Travel Results
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about Marie De Casabranca
Name: Marie De Casabranca
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age: 7
Arrival Date: 18 Apr 1885
Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Lusitania
Nationality: Foreigner