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dear rootgatherer,
I am sorry for the confusion im causing,
mary agnes gibbons b8 feb 1920
Margaret gibbons b9th april 1923
Edward b2nd feb 1926
mary agnes and Margaret were put in the mossley hill convent in Liverpool when Margaret was three,i have tried to find out about the convent at Liverpool library by phone but they said there wasn't any there.
their mother was ellen gibbons b1897 toxteth park Liverpool parents were Patrick gibbons mother ellen gibbons formerly keeney
regards
val&steve

rootgatherer, thanks for the PM,

If it was known that the birth for mary agnes was NOT in Burnley then why does this thread and Jeans thread state burnley as the place of birth?

Is it realy so dificult to give the correct details when known,

Sometimes its like getting blood out of a stone.

Roy

mary agnes is steves aunt ,he is margarets son

val&steve, Just what info are you actualy looking for because everything on this and Jeans thread was known to you from the start so it would help if you asked the questions you have not got the answers too.

Root's go for it, nothing on hear that was not already known anyway

Roy

Well, now we know that doesn't work Roy as it is still showing marked as answered on the list of threads.

im sorry about any confusion,
I cant find anything out about mary agnes after she went in the convent and I don't know where to look,also how can I find any siblings of ellen gibbons if there are any
im not that up on computers sorry
val

You can search Lancsbmd's as they give mothers maiden name on births before 1911

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Edit, Sorry just tried and it appears they don't on births?

Also find her on the 1901/11 census plus her parents on the 1891 census

Roy

There marriage from lancsbmd's

GIBBONS

Patrick

HEANEY

Ellen

1894

West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended

Liverpool

Lancashire

REG_WD/157/6


Roy

Also use Freebmd's it does what it says on the tin

Its free

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Roy

hello roy
on ellen birth cert her mothers maiden name is keeney
regards
val

People back then were not as literate as they are today different name spellings are often found within family records.

Edit; People simply wrote names down as they heard them said, Keeny and Heaney very simular sound when said with different Accents, Keaney being an Irish name

The name Keeney has many different spelling variations

Examples: Kinne, Keene, Keane, Kayne, Keaney, Keeny, Keyne

Roy

Have you found a birth or marriage for ellen gibbons formerly keeney?

Roy

Post deleted , Sorry i gave the wrong info

Roy

hi roy,
I havepatrick &ellen gibbons [keeney] on 1901 census in Liverpool but no daughter ellen,i have ellen gibbons age 14 on 1911 census in Flintshire wales as inmate,dont know if it is a school? Patrick and ellen were born in Ireland
regards
val

Ellen Gibbons Birth J/A/S 1897 Toxteth park 8b 187

Ellen Gibbons death age 0 J/A/S 1897 Toxteth Park 8b 199.

Is this why she isn't with Patrick and Ellen?.

Maryb

It is a convent and boarding school.. St. Clare's Roman Catholic Orphanage for Girls, Holywell.

Of the 311 listed, 39 are officials, 209 in the orphanage and 63 in boarding school

Name: Ellen Gibbons
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Whitford
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619
Sub-registration district: Whitford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 33913

What is the place of birth for the ellen gibbons born 1897 on the 1911 census?

If you are searching from the info on ellen gibbons mother of mary agnes gibbons back then you could have the wrong parents, have you found a marriage for ellen gibbons born 1897 and if so does it confirm patrick as her father?

Looking at the birth and death posted by Mary 14:23 it looks like you may have the wrong ellen gibbons,

This ellen gibbons would have also been age 14 on the 1911 census

Births Dec 1896
Gibbons Ellen Liverpool 8b 55


Roy

How do we know please, that the mother, Ellen, of the two girls was born in Liverpool? Are we just assuming that as the first child was born in Liverpool that her mother was too?

Could this be a marriage for Ellen?

Marriages Jun 1927
COLLINS Michael Gibbons W. Derby 8b 961
Gibbons Ellen Collins W. Derby 8b 961


Unless you know otherwise it is always possible that Ellen died and that was why the girls were put into care.

The name Ellen Gibbons is quite common so it's difficult to decide which one is the correct one, Their are plenty of possibles but in these circumstances i would start by looking at all those who would have been vey young at the time of birth of the children,

Ellen born 1897 would have been around 23 when the first child was born so not exacty a prime candidate for being an unmarried mother at that time,

Thats just my opinion

rootgatherer , I was also looking at the collins marriage for her

Roy