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Nickif65
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3 Feb 2014 16:28 |
Hi All, I am looking for info on Arthur Frank Furr born c1910. He was the first husband of my Grandmother, Dorothy Emily May Cook 1905 - 1970. I believe he was from Hitchin Hertfordshire. In 1933 the couple had their second child, a daughter named Muriel Evelyn Furr. In about August Dorothy had taken their son, Trevor Ainsley Furr 1931- to the circus. Whilst there Arthur apparently MURDERED Muriel who was 7 weeks old. He claims that he dropped her. I have found newspaper articles dated 29th Aug 1933 and 6th Sept 1933, but nothing for later. I would like to know if he got sentenced, pleaded insanity etc. No one in the family knows what happened to him after the murder and we are now interested to find out. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.
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3 Feb 2014 16:33 |
???
Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: FURR, Hylie Arthur F Registration district: Hitchin County: Hertfordshire Year of registration: 1910 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 3A Page no: 805
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3 Feb 2014 16:34 |
Is this not his death ?
Deaths Mar 1963 FURR ARTHUR F - 68 - SURREY N. 5G 708
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Not him, this birth corresponds Births Jun 1894 Furr Arthur Frederick - Richmond S 2a 386
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 16:41 |
1911 census transcription details for: 18 Bedford St Hitchin Hertfordshire
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG14PN7594 RG78PN372 RD136 SD2 ED5 SN55 Reg. District: Hitchin Sub District: Hitchin Parish: Hitchin Urban Enum. District: 5 Address: 18 Bedford St Hitchin Hertfordshire County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born WIGGS, James Head Married 42 years M 65 1846 Blacksmith Striker G N Rly Hitchin Herts WIGGS, Ann Wife Married 42 years F 68 1843 St Spollits Herts FURR, Minnie Daughter Married F 33 1878 St Spollits Herts FURR, Arthur Grandson M 1 1910 Hitchin Herts
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Catherine
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3 Feb 2014 16:42 |
This looks to be him in 1911:-
1911 England Census about Arthur Furr Name: Arthur Furr Age in 1911: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Relation to Head: Grand Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Hitchin Urban County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address: 18 Bedford St, Hitchin, Herts Registration District: Hitchin Registration District Number: 136 Sub-registration District: Hitchin ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 55 Piece: 7594 Household Members: Name Age James Wiggs 65 Ann Wiggs 68 Minnie Furr 33 Arthur Furr 1
Maybe you could try and contact others searching this family to see if they know what happened to him?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Frank Furr Name: Frank Furr Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908 Registration District: Hitchin Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 1425 Records on Page: Name xxxx Frank Furr xxxx Minnie Wiggs Clara Woodman Thomas Worbey
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 16:43 |
Start by finding accurate birth info
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 16:44 |
When/where was the marriage to Cook?
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Found...........
Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%) Cook Dorothy E M Fun Hitchin 3a 1930 Furr Arthur F Cook Hitchin 3a 1930
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patchem
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3 Feb 2014 16:46 |
Have you got the marriage certificate for the name of his father?
Have you got Dorothy's second marriage certificate for her state?
Thanks
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 16:47 |
Maybe he remarried do you know when he and Dorothy divorced?
MarriageFinder: Arthur F Furr married Maggie Macdonagh Name: FURR, Arthur F Registration district: Hendon County: Middlesex Year of registration: 1938 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Macdonagh Volume no: 3A Page no: 2111
Name: MACDONAGH, Maggie Registration district: Hendon County: Middlesex Year of registration: 1938 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Furr Volume no: 3A Page no: 2111
So if this is him he wasn't in jail etc
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Catherine
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3 Feb 2014 16:48 |
This could be Frank Furr?
1911 England Census about Frank Furr Name: Frank Furr Age in 1911: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Hitchin Urban County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address: 9 Lancaster Road, Hitchin, Herts Marital status: Married Occupation: Carpenter Builder Registration District: Hitchin Registration District Number: 136 Sub-registration District: Hitchin ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 151 Piece: 7591 Household Members: Name Age Frank Furr 46 Fred Furr 12 Mildred Louise Furr 11
............states married for 2yrs.
Same person in 1901 with first wife:-
1901 England Census about Frank Furr Name: Frank Furr Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Louisa Furr Birth Place: Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Hitchin Town: Hitchin County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Journeyman Carpenter
Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frank Furr 36 Louisa Furr 33 Frank Furr 6 Frederick Furr 2 Mildred Furr 1
...................................Just a few more names you can put in "search trees" to see if you can find a connection.
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patchem
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3 Feb 2014 16:51 |
Not saying that this is related, but change of surname from Furr to Farr:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/41803/pages/5486/page.pdf
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patchem
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3 Feb 2014 16:53 |
? Arthur Frank Farr Birth Date: 22 Mar 1910 Date of Registration: Oct 1994 Age at Death: 84 Registration District: Westminster Inferred County: London Register Number: E36C District and Subdistrict: 2581E Entry Number: 77
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 16:53 |
Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Appleby Gordon H Furr Bedford 3b 875 Appleby Gordon H Cook Bedford 3b 875 Cook Dorothy E M Appleby Bedford 3b 875 Furr Dorothy E M Appleby Bedford 3b 875
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 16:54 |
Nice one, Pat...........
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 16:55 |
So remarried the same year Name: Dorothy E M Furr Spouse Surname: Appleby Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1938 Registration District: Bedford Inferred County: Bedfordshire Volume Number: 3b Page Number: 875 Find Spouse: Gordon H Appleby .
Name: Dorothy Emily Appleby Birth Date: 8 Mar 1905 Date of Registration: Dec 1970 Age at Death: 65 Registration District: Luton Inferred County: Bedfordshire Volume: 4a Page: 328
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Catherine
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3 Feb 2014 16:58 |
patchem,
Have had a look and name is definately Arthur Frank Furr (known as Arthur Frank Farr) so looks as though he could have changed his name.
occupation: Builder and Decorator
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Nickif65
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3 Feb 2014 17:03 |
@patchem......Yes I have Dorothys 2nd marriage certificate and it says she was divorced from Arthur, so we know he was alive in 1938. I to saw the change of name article and wondered if it was the same man. Am going to look further into it.
@Catherine... Good idea, I will look for other families etc who were connected to him, but from the looks of it he was either orphaned or adopted out to family members, but its something to look into.
@All the other wonderful people...You have all given me some ideas which I will investigate, but what I really wanted to know was what happened to him after the death of his daughter Muriel.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 17:11 |
He remarried I posted the marriage detail
Look on FreeBMD they had two children mmn down a McDonagh
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 17:29 |
Have you got the death cert of Muriel to see what info it may give ?
Name: Muriel E Furr Birth Date: abt 1933 Date of Registration: Sep 1933 Age at Death: 0 Registration District: Hitchin Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 733
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Nickif65
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3 Feb 2014 18:21 |
@Shirley.....No I havent got Muriels death certificate yet, but its an idea to get it. Just cant afford to keep buying certificates and have just ordered two. Also yes those details you found is def my Grandmother Dorothy.
I wonder if Arthur changed his name after leaving prison or something, but only changing one letter is not very adventurous, lol.
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