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Bryn
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26 Jan 2014 14:09 |
I have been trying to find the marriage of my Great Grand parents and seem to have hit a brick wall.
Evan Thomas Hughes born 20/06/1877, died 28/12/1927 in Whitby married Martha Higgins (christened Wilson on the birth certificate) born 15/09/1880, died 21/03/1945. DOM abt 1909.
I found a marriage certificate for a Evan Thomas Hughes and Martha Higgins on 26/11/1914. Unfortunately this Martha is too young and her parents names are incorrect.
This was Evan Thomas Hughes 2nd marriage, he previously wed Alice Ann Rhodes born 1881 abt 1900 in Holywell, Flintshire. They had 2 sons, Evan Hubert 1903 - 1966 and Edward born 1901. I am not aware of what happened to Alice Rhodes.
Evan had a further 6 daughters with Martha Higgins. I also believe Martha may have had a son out of wedlock as I have traced a Alfred Higgins Wilson born to a Martha Wilson on 27/10/1907 and he was on the 1911 census listed as the grandson of Henry Higgins who I believe was the step father of Martha.
Hopefully this all makes sense as it took quite a bit of investigation to get this far.
As I stated above I can only find one marriage between an Evan Thomas Hughes and a Martha Higgins so wonder if anyone has any other ideas. It did cross my mind that they may not have married.
Thanks Bryn
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2014 14:14 |
It may be he separated from his first wife so wasnt free to remarry ' Divorce was very costly to get in those days and only had specific reasons for a divorce to be granted most usual was adultery that had to be admitted .
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2014 14:18 |
is this them on the 1911 census ? 1911 census transcription details for: 2 Fern Cottages Napier St Wrexham
PrintClose National Archive Reference: RG14PN34062 RG78PN1965 RD621 SD3 ED35 SN258 Reg. District: Wrexham Sub District: Wrexham Parish: Wrexham Regis Enum. District: 35 Address: 2 Fern Cottages Napier St Wrexham County: Denbighshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born HUGHES, Evan Head Married M 35 1876 Gardener Domestic Flint Northop HUGHES, Martha Wife Married 1 years F 31 1880 Flint Bangor HUGHES, Hugh Son M 9 1902 At School Chester Malpas HUGHES, Lilly Daughter F 0 (6 MONTH) 1911 Denbigh Wrexham
wonder who her mum is listed as
Name: Lily Hughes Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1910 Registration District: Wrexham Inferred County: Denbighshire Volume: 11b Page: 237
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:18 |
Suggest you try to find out what happened to Alice..........that is probably the 'key'
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:19 |
Not sure what you mean by this........
(christened Wilson on the birth certificate)
Baptism and birth registration are separate events
Under what surname was Martha's birth registered?
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:21 |
Have you looked for/found the man's first marriage?
You say it was 'about' 1900.....................freebmd should give you accurate info
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:30 |
Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%) Rhodes Alice Ann Holywell 11b 280
Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%) Hughes Evan Thomas Holywell 11b 289*
*have submitted correction to freebmd
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Astra
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26 Jan 2014 14:32 |
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 2508 Folio: 83 Page: 11 Reg. District: Clun Sub District: Clun Parish: Clunbury Enum. District: 7 Ecclesiastical District: Clunbury St Swithins City/Municipal Borough: Address: Ash Beds, Clunbury, Twitchen & Clunton Coppice & C County: Shropshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born RHODES, Noah Head Married M 44 1857 Gamekeeper Dawley, Shropshire RHODES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 44 1857 Dawley, Shropshire RHODES, Janet Daughter Single F 13 1888 Dean Parish, Lancashire RHODES, Lucy Daughter Single F 12 1889 Dean Parish, Lancashire HUGHES, Alice R Daughter Married F 20 1881 Staveley, Derbyshire HUGHES, Evan Son-In-Law Married M 24 1877 Gardener N Mole, Flintshire, Wales HUGHES, Edward Son M 0 (2 MOS) 1901 Malpas Parish, Cheshire
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2014 14:42 |
Detail of the 1900 marriage:
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
Grooms Last Name: Hughes Grooms First Name: Evan Thomas Grooms Fathers First Name: William Grooms Fathers Last Name: Hughes Grooms Parish: Northop Grooms Age: 24
Brides Last Name: Rhodes Brides First Name: Alice Ann Brides Fathers First Name: Noah Brides Fathers Last Name: Rhodes Brides Parish: Northop Brides Age: 22
County: Flintshire Place / Parish: Connah's Quay Marriage Year: 1900 Marriage Month: Mar Marriage Day: 18
Page: 92 Record source: Flint marriages - Transcripts Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
ADDED: Evan Thomas was a gardener, his father a labourer.
Alice Ann's father a gamekeeper.
Neither previously married.
Witnesses: Joseph Davies and Elizabeth Ann Williams.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2014 14:43 |
is this Evan Hubert? Name: Evan Hubert Hughes Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903 Registration District: Bridgenorth Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 6a Page: 592
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2014 14:50 |
Edward ??
Name: Edward Hughes Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901 Registration District: Chester Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 369
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2014 14:52 |
Bryn - what were the father details for the Evan Thomas on the 1914 marriage certificate and what marital status did it give for Evan Thomas?
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:54 |
1911 census
Person: WILSON, Alfred Higgins Address: Cuddington Malpas
HIGGINS, Henry Head Married M 52 1859 Joiner Flint Hamner VIEW HIGGINS, Ann Wife Married30 years F 50 1861 Denbighshire Ruabon VIEW HIGGINS, Fredrick Son Single M 24 1887 Joiner Cheshire Malpas VIEW HIGGINS, Albert Son Single M 20 1891 Joiner Cheshire Malpas VIEW HIGGINS, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1897 Cheshire Malpas VIEW HIGGINS, Arthur Son M 12 1899 School Cheshire Malpas VIEW HIGGINS, Dora Annie Daughter F 8 1903 School Cheshire Malpas VIEW WILSON, Alfred Higgins Grandson M 3 1908
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 14:56 |
If Henry was Martha's stepfather, her name at birth wasn't HIGGINS.............
Is that what you were trying to convey?
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Astra
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26 Jan 2014 14:58 |
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Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
Forenames: Lily Surname: Hughes Baptism Year: 1911 Baptism Month: Apr Baptism Day: 09 Place: Wrexham County: Denbighshire Birth Year: - Birth Month: - Birth Day: - Fathers Forenames: Evan Mothers Forenames: Martha Page: 140 Record source: Denbigh baptisms - Transcripts Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 15:00 |
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
HIGGINS Henry Wrexham 11b 461 WILSON Ann Wrexham 11b 461
North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1880 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference WILSON Martha Holt Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) HOLT/15/16
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 15:03 |
1901 census
Person: HIGGINS, Arthur Address: Cuddington, Cuddington (Cheshire), Rural Parish
HIGGINS, Henry Head Married M 42 1859 Carpenter Bronington, Flintshire VIEW HIGGINS, Ann Wife Married F 40 1861 Ruabon, Denbighshire VIEW HIGGINS, David H Son Single M 18 1883 Weelright Malpas, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Fredrick Son Single M 14 1887 Agricultural Labourer Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Albert Son Single M 10 1891 Scholar Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Clara Daughter Single F 7 1894 Scholar Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Eleizebeth Daughter Single F 4 1897 Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Arthur Son Single M 2 1899 Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Edwin W Son Single M 0 (4 MOS) 1901 Cuddington, Cheshire
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 15:04 |
1891 census
Person: HIGGINS, David H Address: Cottage, Cuddington Heath, Cuddington, Cuddington Heath
HIGGINS, Henry Head Married M 33 1858 Wheelwright Bronington, Flintshire VIEW HIGGINS, Ann Wife Married F 30 1861 Ruabon, Denbighshire VIEW HIGGINS, Martha Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Bangor-Ys-Coed, Flintshire VIEW HIGGINS, David H Son M 8 1883 Scholar Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Mary Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Frederick Son M 4 1887 Cuddington, Cheshire VIEW HIGGINS, Albert Son M 0 (1M) 1891 Cuddington, Cheshire
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2014 15:06 |
You refer to 6 daughters, but give no clue about names/birth years/location
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Potty
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26 Jan 2014 15:11 |
This Lily is attached to a tree that has Evan Hughes married to a Martha Higgins - married one year; one child
1911 Wales Census Lilly Hughes Age in 1911:6/12 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1910 Relation to Head:Daughter Birth Place:Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish:Wrexham Regis Street Address:2 Fern Cottage Napier St Wrexham
Evan Hughes 35 Martha Hughes 31 Hugh Hughes 7 Lilly Hughes 6/12
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