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12 Feb 2014 20:19 |
Hi Mabel Tooke, 09/03/1917, Stockton on tees , my husbands mam Her parents are Jesse Tooke 1891 , Stockton He married Mary Carter in 1913 .
Thanks for Frederick's, 1861 ( he is dad of Jesse) parents,
But struggling to find his wife Elizabeth's I think they were married in Norfolk in approx 1898.?
Can you help Thanks margaret :-D
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Feb 2014 08:05 |
To be sure Margaret, you would need the 1884 Marriage Cert. for details. PH has posted on page 1, also looking at 1911 there, some Baptisms Norfolk, on below link.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Baptism County Norfolk Place East Dereham Church St Nicholas RegisterNumber 1113 DateOfBirth 15 Jul 1890 BaptismDate 15 Aug 1890 Forename Jesse William Sex M FatherForename Frederick MotherForename Elizabeth FatherSurname TOOKE MotherSurname Abode Dereham FatherOccupation Carpenter
Baptism County Norfolk Place East Dereham Church St Nicholas RegisterNumber 833 DateOfBirth 09 Jan 1888 BaptismDate 09 Mar 1888 Forename Mabel Mary Sex F FatherForename Frederick MotherForename Elizabeth FatherSurname TOOK MotherSurname Abode Dereham FatherOccupation Carpenter
Baptism County Norfolk Place East Dereham Church St Nicholas Tr RegisterNumber 380 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 11 Dec 1864 Forename Elizabeth Sex - FatherForename William MotherForename Susanna FatherSurname BARKER MotherSurname Abode FatherOccupation Bricklayer
(above could be a possible, Cert. would be needed)
Chris :)
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13 Feb 2014 09:44 |
Hi Margaret
"IF" the above baptism is correct.........
1881 England Census about William Barker Name:William Barker Age:52
Estimated birth year:abt 1829 Relationship to Head: Head Gender:Male Where born:E Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Street address:High Street Marital Status:Widow Occupation:Bricklayer Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:East Dereham
Household Members:
William Barker 52 (Widower) Bricklayer James Barker 22 (Shoemaker) Lucy Barker 19 (Housekeeper) Elizth Barker 15 Harriett Barker 11 Susanna Burton 29 (Niece)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about William Barker Name:William Barker Estimated birth year:abt 1828 Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1890 Age at Death:62 Registration district:Mitford Inferred County:Norfolk Volume:4b Page:163
1871 England Census about Elizabeth Barker Name:Elizabeth Barker Age:6 Estimated birth year:abt 1865 Relation:Daughter Gender:Female
Where born:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:East Dereham Household Members:
William Barker Head 47 (Bricklayers Jour) Susanna Barker 47 (Wife) Henery Barker 17 (Gardeners Man) Ann Barker 13 (Domestic Servant) James Barker 12 Elizabeth Barker 6 Harriet Barker 2
1861 England Census about William Barker Name:William Barker Age:36 Estimated birth year:1825 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Susannah Barker Gender:Male Where born:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham Town:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:East Dereham
Household Members:
William Barker 36 (Bricklayers Jour) Susannah Barker 33 William Barker 8 Henry Barker 7 Ann Barker 3 James Barker 1
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Margaret
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13 Feb 2014 10:15 |
Thank you :-)
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13 Feb 2014 10:43 |
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about William Barker Name:William Barker Gender:Male Marriage Date:15 Aug 1852 Marriage Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Spouse: Susannah Wacey
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Henry Barker Name:Henry Barker Gender:Male Baptism Date:14 May 1854 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Barker Mother:Susannah
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Ann Barker Name:Ann Barker Gender:Female Baptism Date:12 Jul 1857 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Barker Mother: Susannah
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about James Barker Name:James Barker Gender:Male Baptism Date:9 Oct 1859 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Barker Mother: Susan
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Lucy Barker Name:Lucy Barker Gender:Female Baptism Date:22 Jun 1862 Baptism Place:East Denham, Norfolk, England Father:William Barker Mother: Susanna
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Harriet Barker Name:Harriet Barker Gender:Female Baptism Date:31 May 1868 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Barker Mother:Susanna Barker
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13 Feb 2014 11:28 |
Hmmm, I wonder if this is William and he was married before...
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1851 England Census about William Baker Name:William Baker Age:25 Estimated birth year:abt 1826 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Mary Baker Gender:Male Where born:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:Dereham
Household Members:
William Baker 25 (Bricklayer) Mary Baker 26 (Dressmaker) Sprowston Norfolk
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1841 England Census about William Baker Name:William Baker[William Barker] Age:16 Estimated birth year:abt 1825 Gender:Male Where born:Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham Hundred:Launditch and Mitford County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:East Dereham
Household Members:
Mary Baker 35 (Pauper) William Baker 16 Lucy Baker 13 John Baker 11 James Baker 7 Anna Baker 5
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13 Feb 2014 13:45 |
Ah.........this is interesting!
I have checked out the Niece....Susannah Burton who appears on the 1881 census.
1861 England Census about Susannah Burton Name:Susannah Burton Age:14 Estimated birth year:1847 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:William Burton Mother's name:Emma Burton Gender:Female Where born:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham Town:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:East Dereham
Household Members:
William Burton 39 (Whitesmith) Emma Burton 39 Susannah Burton 14 (I think Susannah's age is an error!) William Burton 9 Ann Burton 4 Ann Wacey 71 (Mother in Law)
So Emma Burton must be Susannah's married Sister and Ann Wacey is their Mother.
Susannah Burton is a Servant in the 1871 census and not with the family.
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Susanna Burton Name:Susanna Burton Gender:Female Baptism Date:31 Aug 1851 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Burton Mother: Emma
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about William Burton Name:William Burton Gender:Male Baptism Date:22 Oct 1854 Baptism Place:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Father: William Burton Mother: Emma
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Ann Burton Name:Ann Burton Gender:Female Baptism Date:8 Feb 1857 Baptism Place:East Dersham Parish, Norfolk County, England Father: William Burton Mother: Emma
1851 England Census about Emma Burton Name:Emma Burton Age:29 Estimated birth year:abt 1822 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:William Burton Gender:Female Where born:Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham Town:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England
Registration district:Mitford Sub-registration district:Dereham
William Burton 28 (Whitesmith) Emma Burton 29 Ann Wacey (Widow) Pauper Susan Wacey (Sister in Law) <<<<<<<<< Difficult to read her age!
Emma and William are living next door to William and Susannah Barker in 1871
1871 England Census about Emma Burton Name:Emma Burton Age:50 Estimated birth year:abt 1821 Relation:Wife Gender:Female Where born:East Dereham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish:East Dereham County/Island:Norfolk Country:England William Burton 49 Emma Burton 50 William Burton 16 Ann Burton 14 Ann Wacey 80 (Mother in Law)
Deaths Sep 1873 (>99%) WACEY Anne 85 Mitford 4b 188
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Margaret
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13 Feb 2014 18:48 |
Thank you I'm getting quite a lot of information to give my husband on his birthday about his past Can u help Frederick carter, born 1864 in Stockton on tees but having problems finding his parents :-D
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Margaret
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13 Feb 2014 19:22 |
Found them I think I only have one last missing link ;-)
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Margaret
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13 Feb 2014 19:44 |
Hi In the threads Mabel ( my husbands mum) married James eadsforth born 1909 , I've got his dad as James 1880 (trimdon) then his dad John eadsforth 1840 born in Chorley but cannot find his parents, can u help Then I,ve done it
I think
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14 Feb 2014 10:01 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about John Edward Eidesforth Name:John Edward Eidesforth (John Edward Eadsforth) Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1839 Registration district:Chorley Inferred County:Lancashire Volume:21 Page:321
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about John Edward Eadesforth Name:John Edward Eadesforth Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1859 Registration district:Stockton Inferred County:Durham Volume Number: 10a Page Number: 85 John Edward Eadesforth Mary Lamb
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Edward Eadsforth Name:John Edward Eadsforth Estimated birth year:abt 1840 Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1909 Age at Death:69 Registration district:Easington Inferred County:Durham Volume:10a Page:259
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14 Feb 2014 10:16 |
1851 England Census about John E Eidsforth Name:John E Eidsforth (John E Eadsforth]) Age:11 Estimated birth year:abt 1840 Relation:Stepson Mother's name:Dorothy Webster Gender:Male Where born:Chorley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Chorley County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Registration district:Chorley Sub-registration district:Chorley
John Webster 46 Dorothy Webster 45 Harriot Webster 7 Mary Webster 5 Thomas Webster 3 Henry Eidsforth 13 John E Eidsforth 11 Thomas Whitehead 41 Widower (Lodger)<<<<<<< Interesting!
Marriages Mar 1842 (>99%) EADSFORTH Dorothy Chorley 21 171 WEBSTER John Chorley 21 171
1841 England Census about John Edesforth Age:2 Estimated birth year:abt 1839 Gender:Male Where born:Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Chorley Hundred:Leyland County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Registration district:Chorley Sub-registration district:Chorley
Dorothy Edesforth 35 (Provisions Dealer) Clara Norris 15 Ellen Norris 15 William Norris 14 Henry Edesforth 4 John Edesforth 2
(Res: Hollingshead Street)
Note that a few properties above Dorothy Eadsforth.......is an Alexander Eadsforth age 30, James Eadsforth age 2 and Nancy age 25. There might possibly be a family connection.
ADDED.........
It seems that Alexander Eadsforth is the brother of Doroth's second husband Thomas Eadsforth.
Alexander married Nancy Slater......(Apart from the 1841 census, she obviously preferred to be called Ann)
Alexander and Ann (Nancy) were the witnesses attending Ellen Norris's marriage.
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Alexander Eadsforth Name:Alexander Eadsforth (Bachelor) Spinner....Hollingshead Street Age:Full Age Event Type:Marriage Event Date:25 Nov 1838 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:Nancy Slater (Spinster) Spouse Age:Full Age Father:Alexander Eadsforth (Spinner) Spouse Father:Henry Slater (Weaver) Reference Number:Pr3120/1/5 Witnesses: Richard Cotterold? and Ellen Chadwicks.
So you now have the name and occupation of John Edward Eadsforth's Grandfather! :-)
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14 Feb 2014 10:45 |
According to several tree's on Ancestry, this is Dorothy's first marriage....which explains the Norris children in the 1841 census...
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Dorothy White Name:Dorothy White Event Type:Marriage Event Date:19 Oct 1823 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:George Norris Reference Number:Pr 2799/7
Dorothy's second marriage...
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Thomas Edsforth Name:Thomas Edsforth Event Type:Marriage Event Date:18 Oct 1829 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:Drothy Norris Reference Number:Pr 2799/8
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Thomas Eidesforth Name:Thomas Eidesforth Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1839 Registration district:Chorley Inferred County:Lancashire Volume:21 Page:258
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Dorothy Whitehead Name:Dorothy Whitehead Gender:Female Baptism Date:16 Oct 1806 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Dorothy Webster Name:Dorothy Webster Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1864 Registration district:Chorley Inferred County:Lancashire Volume:8e Page:295
Siblings....
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Helen Whitehead Name:Helen Whitehead Gender:Female Baptism Date:7 Oct 1798 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Wm. Whitehead Name:Wm. Whitehead Gender:Male Baptism Date:24 May 1792 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about John Whitehead Name:John Whitehead Gender:Male Baptism Date:19 Jul 1794 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother:Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Ann Whitehead Name:Ann Whitehead Gender:Female Baptism Date:7 Aug 1796 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother:Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about John Whitehead Name:John Whitehead Gender:Male Baptism Date:3 Apr 1803 Baptism Place: Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother:Mary FHL Film Number: 942 B4C V. 20
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 about John Whitehead
Name:John Whitehead Gender:Male Burial Date:6 Jun 1803 Burial Place:Garstang, Lancaster, England Father: Henry Whitehead FHL Film Number:1278886 Reference ID:2136
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead Gender:Male Birth Date:17 Dec 1808 Baptism Date:18 Dec 1808 Baptism Place:Saint Mary-Rc,Garstang,Lancashire,England Father: Harry Whitehead Mother: Molly ?? FHL Film Number: 0599710 IT 2
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14 Feb 2014 11:35 |
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Ellen Norris Name:Ellen Norris (Spinster) Age:11 >>>>>Age 21 on the image. Fathers Name: George Worthington>>>> George Norris on the image (Sawyer) Spouse Father:Robert Norris>> Robert Worthington on the image (Riviter/Glazier) Reference Number: Pr 3123/1/11 Witnesses: Alexander Eadsforth and Anne Eadsforth.
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14 Feb 2014 13:07 |
Going back to the "Visitor" Thomas Whitehead in the 1851 census....
He appears to be Dorothy's Brother...
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Thomas Whitehead Name:Thomas Whitehead (Widower) Cotton? Printer Age:45 Birth Year:abt 1810 Event Type:Marriage Event Date:7 Oct 1855 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:Elizabeth Hesketh (Widow) Servant Spouse Age:42 Father: Henry Whitehead (Printer) Spouse Father:John Lucas Reference Number: Pr3120/1/6 Witnesses: John and Dorothy Webster.
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14 Feb 2014 13:49 |
Dorothy's parents marriage....
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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead Gender:Male Marriage Date:11 Jul 1791 Marriage Place:Garstang, Lancashire, England Spouse: Mary Jenkinson FHL Film Number:1278886 Reference ID:402
Henry is living next door to Dorothy in 1841...
1841 England Census about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead Age:65 Estimated birth year:abt 1776 Gender:Male Where born:Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Chorley Hundred:Leyland County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Registration district:Chorley Sub-registration district:Chorley Household Members:
Henry Whitehead 65 (Cotton Printer) William Whitehead 45 (Cotton Printer) John Saylor 15
(Res: Hollingshead Street)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1850 Registration district:Chorley Inferred County:Lancashire Volume:21 Page:283
Son William's Baptism....
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Wm. Whitehead Name:Wm. Whitehead Gender:Male Baptism Date:24 May 1792 Baptism Place:Saint Thomas-Rc,Claughton On Brock,Lancashire,England Father: Henry Whitehead Mother: Mary FHL Film Number:942 B4C V. 20
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14 Feb 2014 14:33 |
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Henry Whitchead Name:Henry Whitchead ?? Bachelor....Shoemaker Event Type:Marriage Event Date:18 Oct 1829 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse: Jane Green (Spinster) Reference Number:Pr 2799/8 Witnesses: John Calderbanks? and Caroline Woodhouse.
Lancashire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1986 about Jane Whitehead Name:Jane Whitehead Birth Year:abt 1811 Burial Age:21 Burial Date:2 Feb 1832 Burial Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Reference Number: Pr 2799/13
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead (Widower) Shoemaker Age:40 Birth Year:abt 1807 Event Type:Marriage Event Date:26 Jun 1847 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:Ann Lee (Spinster) Spouse Age:32 Father:Henry Whitehead (Printer) Spouse Father:James Lee (Labourer) Reference Number:Pr3120/1/5 Witnesses: John Holding? or Polding? and Dorothy Webster.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Whitehead Name:Henry Whitehead Estimated birth year:abt 1809 Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1881 Age at Death:72 Registration district:Chorley Inferred County:Lancashire Volume:8e Page:281
Prickles. :-)
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15 Feb 2014 15:34 |
Afternoon.
Further proof that John Edward Eadsforth's father was indeed Thomas Eadsforth.
John's brother Henry.
Henry's surname appears as Eidsforth in the records. I have checked the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census records and it all fits with this information...
Are you ready for this? :-D
Right...........
Henry married in 1860...
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Henry Eidsforth Name:Henry Eidsforth (Bachelor) Spinner Age:22 Birth Year:abt 1838 Event Type:Marriage Event Date:28 Jul 1860 Parish:Chorley, St Peter Spouse:Mary Bromley (Spinster) Spouse Age:22 Father:Thomas Eidsforth (Spinner) Spouse Father:Thomas Bromley (Weaver) Reference Number:Pr3125/1/3 Witnesses: James Bromley and Clara Gradwell?
Mary died in 1880...
Deaths Sep 1880 (>99%) Eidsforth Mary 42 Chorley 8e 331
Henry didn't waste much time and he remarried in December of the same year...
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Margaret Bromiley Name:Margaret Bromiley (Widow) Age:Full Age Event Type:Marriage Event Date:18 Nov 1880 Parish:Chorley, St Laurence Spouse:Henry Eidsforth (Widower) Spinner Spouse Age:Full Age Father:John Amsworth (Labourer) Spouse Father:Thomas Eidsforth (Spinner) Reference Number:Pr3120/1/7 Witnesses: John and Alice Bromily
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15 Feb 2014 15:41 |
Margaret died in 1884...
Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%) EIDSFORTH Margaret 46 Chorley 8e 342
Henry remarried for the 3rd time in 1885............Phew! :-D
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Mary Ann Livesey Name:Mary Ann Livesey (Widow) Age:39 Birth Year:abt 1846 Event Type:Marriage Event Date:14 Mar 1885 Parish:Chorley, St James Spouse:Henry Eidsforth (Widower) Spinner Spouse Age:47 Spouse Father:Thomas Eidsforth (Spinner) Reference Number:Pr 3124/1/2 Witnesses: Thomas and Nancy Heald
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15 Feb 2014 16:01 |
Henry and Mary Ann had a son later that year...
Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 about Thomas Henry Eidsforth Name:Thomas Henry Eidsforth (Spinner) 6 Aldred Street. Birth Date:15 Sep 1885 Baptism Date:4 Oct 1885 Parish:Chorley, St James Father:Henry Eidsforth Mother:Mary Ann Eidsforth
Just off to see if i can find Thomas in the 1891 and 1901 census.
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