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Info on censuses (birthplaces, etc) often has to be taken with a certain pinch of salt and some lateral thinking.

It all depends on how knowledgeable was the person who gave the info to the enumerator, and how accurately he entered what he was told on the form.

Thank you so much.
It seems as though the 1881 Census which shows Thomas Henry Povey was born Brighton Sussex was incorrect and there never was a connection with Brighton or anywhere else in Sussex - why is the mystery which does not deserve scrutiny as the research on that is exhausted.

thank you all for your input it is so appreciated.
You never fail to surprise me with the dedication and ability to help others.
Thanks so much
Ru

Re Eleanor Povey, born 1860 - birth posted above:

I can't see her in censuses, but there's this marriage:

Eleanor Povey
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Eleanor Povey
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1860
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1881
Marriage Place: St Michael and All Angels, Ladbroke Grove, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Thomas Povey - painter, deceased <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: John Nicholas Herring


???

Thomas Povey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Povey
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 44

Just thought -
Elizabeth in 1871 is said to be aged 28 - quite clearly on the image.
And she was born in Ripon, Yorkshire.

A second wife?
She can't be Eliza Wildin who married in 1851, born in London.

I don't see another marriage.

Many, many thanks now I must go through and find all those Thomas Henry births and Charles Thomas births, marriages etc. to see what is correct. The Book Binding work indicates a connection as years later this comes back into the family through the work of grandmnother Johannah Povey married to Thomas Charles born 1880 - my grandparents.

Thank you so very much for your help. Must sort out the Wildin and connecting birth certs I sent for and almost discarded when Wildin family could not match up with my research.

Ru

POVEY, THOMAS HENRY mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in ETON, BUCKS Volume 03A Page 321


[EDIT: already posted ]
Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
Povey Thomas Islington 3 210
Wildin Eliza Islington 3 210


Possible siblings ??

POVEY, ELIZABETH ms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 153

POVEY, ELEANOR mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 446

POVEY, FANNY mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 17


Death of Fanny:

POVEY, FANNY 1
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 10



I don't see births of Willie or May.

Just for our reference and interest:

Thomas Dovey
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Dovey
[Thomas Povey]
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: LucksEton
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles T Dovey 42 - decorator and gilder
Elizh Dovey 28
Thomas Dovey 15
Willie Dovey 12
May Dovey 1

Just to let you know that the 1871 Census looks like a typo error has caused a lot of time to be wasted on searching for Thomas Henry Povey birth.

I have been directed to 1871 Census which shows birth of Thomas Henry DOVEY and his family - the spelling now showing incorrect. What a difference a D makes!!

Just wanted to fill you all in.

We get there in the end. Following this one in order to obtain the correct birth certificate.

Thanks as always.
Ru

(have posted details for Marriage!)

Chris :)

Hi Chris,

WOW again what a great find. I shall send for the marriage cert.

Now I do not think I did find the family on 1861 Census. So much detail on family I cannot find it. I have just looked on line again and again I am not seeing it.

Need to refresh so will look in again in the morning.

Have sighted the information on National Archives - many thanks. I think the dates are too close to be different and I agree this is my Thomas Henry. Now I can go back and send for Thomas H and Eliza marriage cert.

I am thrilled - many thanks.

Goodnight - off to bed.

Sappho

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7946082

(just click on above)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Povey Thomas Islington 3 210
Wildin Eliza Islington 3 210


Marriage
NameThomas Povey (Bachelor. Bookbinder)
Spouse Name:Eliza Wildin (Spinster)
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:10 Feb 1851
Parish:Islington St Mary
Borough:Islington
Father Name:Thomas Povey (Farmer)
Spouse Father:Henry Wildin (Tailor)
Register Type:Parish Register
(of full age for both)


1851 (possible)
POVEY, Thomas Head Married M 25 1826 Book Edge Gilder
St Andrews, London
POVEY, Eliza Wife Married F 27 1824
St Andrews, London
Piece: 1525
Folio: 43
Page: 12
Registration District: East London
Civil Parish: Saint Giles Without Cripplegate
Municipal Borough: London
Address: 23, New Union Street, Saint Giles Without Cripplegate, London
County: Middlesex

Hi Chris,

I have the 1855 Birth Certificate. It was one I sent for originally as tried to find T.H. Povey Birth. I discounted it at first until I started this thread. Now I am convinced it is correct.

Will give the details:

Thomas Henry Povey b 12th August 1855 Mill Lane Eton, Bucks
Mother Eliza Povey formerly Wildin (note: not G)
Father Thomas Povey - I had been told his father was Charles Thomas as on his marriage CErt to Ellen.
Fathers Occupation: Carpenter and Builder
Ref: Vol 03a Page 321

It really made my day - talk about singing and I cannot sing!!

Chis, sorry to be a bit on the slow side, but how do I download the Navy bit.

Now I am sure I had found the family on 1861 - just going to check get back to you on that.

Sappho

Yes, the Witness bit is ok, just Navy Thomas!. You can download that document and see details.

As Your Thomas Henry 1880 is a House Painter, and his Father (Charles Thomas Povey, Deceased) also down as House Painter, could cast doubt!.

Have you got details of 1855 Birth Cert., or found family on 1861?...

Chris :)

Hello again Chris Ho:)

I am now convinced I have the right birth certificate as both witness fit and the Marriage Cert. gives Ellen Daniels address as 6, Aylesbury Street.

Part of our family seem to mislead (lie) about their ages and I am wondering if this is the case here on the marriage cert. Thomas H states he is 22 years old and Elllen is 20 years old. Ellen is correct as I have her birth cert and she was born 1860, but doing my sums on Thomas H brought us to 1858/9 so ruled out the Eton birth for 1855 - it is now much more a certainty. In fact, I am convinced!

You have been very helpful and again, my thanks.

Best wishes,

Sappho

Hi Chris Ho,

A bit lost again (perhaps excitement has got to me). so above you refere to the National Archives site you attached??

I will have another look - do you think I may have got the wrong birth now? I was so excited - I really think it good, but he did state he was born Brighton Sussex on the 1881 Census. He could have thought this for some reason.

I may just google Sussex Parish Records as you suggest.

Thanks Chris - you have been gret.

Sappho

Was just looking round and noticed the above one, the document can be downloaded on above link, but relates to Navy (Continuous Service) so didn't think he would fit with occupation of your one, perhaps another to rule out!.

Not sure what there is for Sussex Parish Records available online (as you can't visit!) perhaps worth a google...

Chris :)

Yes, - sorry can now see you have found this - it is wonderful.

I wonder if that is the one I have: Found it - good job I kept it.

Thomas Henry b 1855 Mill Lane, Eton. Bravo and it does state his father as Thomas Povey.

To think I had the certificate all the time.

Many, many thanks and I am over the moon. Now for my breakfast.

How happy you have made me. Elusive - not at all!

Thanks, thanks and thanks to yolu all.

Sappho

Is this connected to the Witness?

Yes, now I can see this - how clever of you. I sent for the Eton Cert for Thomas Povey. Must see where I filed it and have another look.

WOW on this one - and thanks of course!!

Sappho

Hello Chris HO,

Help me?? What does this mean?

So you have found this at National Archives. It represents a birth in 1856 - the connection is?

forgive my ignorance - and I thought I knew my way around most sites.

Sappho

1881 (Agnes the Witness)
ENGLISH, James Head Married M 22 1859 R?. Fitter (Range Fitter)
Southwark, Surrey
ENGLISH, Agnes Wife Married F 21 1860 Book Folder
Lambeth, Surrey
ENGLISH, Agnes Daughter Single F 2 1879
Lambeth, Surrey
Piece: 585
Folio: 19
Page: 32
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Windmill Round, Lambeth
County: London, Surrey


Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
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English James Alford St Saviour 1d 26 (Alfred)
HARRIS Agnes Ann St Saviour Southwark

(6, Aylesbury Street given for Residence on Marriage above for Agnes, same as for Ellen 1880)

1881 (other Witness)
WINTER, Richard Head Married M 37 1844 Malt Roaster (Maltster)
WINTER, Caroline Wife Married F 38 1843
Piece: 544
Folio: 76
Page: 9
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Civil Parish: Newington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Aylesbury Street, Newington
County: London, Surrey

Chris :)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7946082

Name Povey, Thomas Henry
Place of Birth: Eaton, Middlesex
Continuous Service Number: 17625B
Date of Volunteering: 08 September 1871
Date of Birth: 13 August 1856

(noted another also)