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Hi Chris,

I have the 1855 Birth Certificate. It was one I sent for originally as tried to find T.H. Povey Birth. I discounted it at first until I started this thread. Now I am convinced it is correct.

Will give the details:

Thomas Henry Povey b 12th August 1855 Mill Lane Eton, Bucks
Mother Eliza Povey formerly Wildin (note: not G)
Father Thomas Povey - I had been told his father was Charles Thomas as on his marriage CErt to Ellen.
Fathers Occupation: Carpenter and Builder
Ref: Vol 03a Page 321

It really made my day - talk about singing and I cannot sing!!

Chis, sorry to be a bit on the slow side, but how do I download the Navy bit.

Now I am sure I had found the family on 1861 - just going to check get back to you on that.

Sappho

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7946082

(just click on above)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Povey Thomas Islington 3 210
Wildin Eliza Islington 3 210


Marriage
NameThomas Povey (Bachelor. Bookbinder)
Spouse Name:Eliza Wildin (Spinster)
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:10 Feb 1851
Parish:Islington St Mary
Borough:Islington
Father Name:Thomas Povey (Farmer)
Spouse Father:Henry Wildin (Tailor)
Register Type:Parish Register
(of full age for both)


1851 (possible)
POVEY, Thomas Head Married M 25 1826 Book Edge Gilder
St Andrews, London
POVEY, Eliza Wife Married F 27 1824
St Andrews, London
Piece: 1525
Folio: 43
Page: 12
Registration District: East London
Civil Parish: Saint Giles Without Cripplegate
Municipal Borough: London
Address: 23, New Union Street, Saint Giles Without Cripplegate, London
County: Middlesex

Hi Chris,

WOW again what a great find. I shall send for the marriage cert.

Now I do not think I did find the family on 1861 Census. So much detail on family I cannot find it. I have just looked on line again and again I am not seeing it.

Need to refresh so will look in again in the morning.

Have sighted the information on National Archives - many thanks. I think the dates are too close to be different and I agree this is my Thomas Henry. Now I can go back and send for Thomas H and Eliza marriage cert.

I am thrilled - many thanks.

Goodnight - off to bed.

Sappho

(have posted details for Marriage!)

Chris :)

Just to let you know that the 1871 Census looks like a typo error has caused a lot of time to be wasted on searching for Thomas Henry Povey birth.

I have been directed to 1871 Census which shows birth of Thomas Henry DOVEY and his family - the spelling now showing incorrect. What a difference a D makes!!

Just wanted to fill you all in.

We get there in the end. Following this one in order to obtain the correct birth certificate.

Thanks as always.
Ru

Just for our reference and interest:

Thomas Dovey
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Dovey
[Thomas Povey]
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: LucksEton
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles T Dovey 42 - decorator and gilder
Elizh Dovey 28
Thomas Dovey 15
Willie Dovey 12
May Dovey 1

POVEY, THOMAS HENRY mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in ETON, BUCKS Volume 03A Page 321


[EDIT: already posted ]
Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
Povey Thomas Islington 3 210
Wildin Eliza Islington 3 210


Possible siblings ??

POVEY, ELIZABETH ms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 153

POVEY, ELEANOR mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 446

POVEY, FANNY mms WILDIN
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 17


Death of Fanny:

POVEY, FANNY 1
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 10



I don't see births of Willie or May.

Many, many thanks now I must go through and find all those Thomas Henry births and Charles Thomas births, marriages etc. to see what is correct. The Book Binding work indicates a connection as years later this comes back into the family through the work of grandmnother Johannah Povey married to Thomas Charles born 1880 - my grandparents.

Thank you so very much for your help. Must sort out the Wildin and connecting birth certs I sent for and almost discarded when Wildin family could not match up with my research.

Ru

Just thought -
Elizabeth in 1871 is said to be aged 28 - quite clearly on the image.
And she was born in Ripon, Yorkshire.

A second wife?
She can't be Eliza Wildin who married in 1851, born in London.

I don't see another marriage.

Re Eleanor Povey, born 1860 - birth posted above:

I can't see her in censuses, but there's this marriage:

Eleanor Povey
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Eleanor Povey
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1860
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1881
Marriage Place: St Michael and All Angels, Ladbroke Grove, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Thomas Povey - painter, deceased <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: John Nicholas Herring


???

Thomas Povey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Povey
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 44

Thank you so much.
It seems as though the 1881 Census which shows Thomas Henry Povey was born Brighton Sussex was incorrect and there never was a connection with Brighton or anywhere else in Sussex - why is the mystery which does not deserve scrutiny as the research on that is exhausted.

thank you all for your input it is so appreciated.
You never fail to surprise me with the dedication and ability to help others.
Thanks so much
Ru

Info on censuses (birthplaces, etc) often has to be taken with a certain pinch of salt and some lateral thinking.

It all depends on how knowledgeable was the person who gave the info to the enumerator, and how accurately he entered what he was told on the form.