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12 Jan 2014 15:25 |
Henry born 7 Apr 1848 Lambeth to Jabez Harris and Margaret Duggin. In 1851/61 he is with parents in Lambeth Surrey. In 1911 he is in Islington Workhouse and shown as widowed and a butcher. I think in 1881 he is living in Clerkenwell with wife Jane and children. It appears that he may have married in 1874 to Jane Bransford nee Devonald. I can not find either Henry nor Jane in 1891 or 1901. Can someone have a look please?
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12 Jan 2014 15:32 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Henry Harris
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848
Age:26
Spouse Name:Jane Bransford
Spouse Age:36
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:20 Dec 1874
Parish: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough:City of London
Father Name:Tabez Harris
Spouse Father:James Deboneld
Register Type:Parish Register
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Andrew
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12 Jan 2014 15:33 |
Is this correct 1881?
Henry Harris 33 Jane Harris 43 Arthur Harris 5 Frederick Harris 3 Margaret Jones 17 Charles H. Heison 18 H.J. Van Hoen 28
if so, maybe Jane and children 1891
Thomas Mountfort 34 Jane Mountfort 33 Arthur H Harris 15 Frederick J Harris 13 Clara Owen 25 Ann Woodifer 38 Gustave A Hipperman 40
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Harris Jane Holborn 1b 1202 MOUNTFORT Thomas Holborn 1b 1202
Jane in both census born Pembrokeshire
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 15:39 |
A tree on Ancestry has a different wife although other trees may not be accurate.
Birth: Jun 1848 - England Parents: Jabez Harris, Margaret Duggin Spouse: Caroline Jane Mayo
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 15:41 |
His baptism
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Henry Malcolm Robert Barlow Harris Name: Henry Malcolm Robert Barlow Harris Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 7 May 1848 Father's Name: Jabez Harris Mother's Name: Margaret Harris Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 16:06 |
He had a brother London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edward Arthur Harriss Name: Edward Arthur Harriss Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1844 Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1844 Father's Name: Jabez Harriss Mother's Name: Margaret Harriss Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
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Ed
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12 Jan 2014 16:08 |
Appears that Jane may not have died. Supposedly there would have been a divorce? Nice to have confirmation re marriage
Thanks
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12 Jan 2014 16:11 |
The marriage to Caroline Jane Mayo is quoted on those trees as being 1884 but not seeing a Henry Harris
Marriages Dec 1884 Blanchard Edward Guildford 2a 84 Edwards John Guildford 2a 84 Mayo Caroline Guildford 2a 84 Sheppard Amy Elizabeth Guildford 2a 84
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 16:29 |
I did say not necessarily accurate Mike*
I have been searching with just the term 1838 +/- 5 occupation butcher with no name and I have not found him.
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patchem
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12 Jan 2014 16:35 |
I think this is the Henry Harris who marries Caroline: 1901 England Census Henry Harris Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Caroline Harris Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England Civil Parish: St George the Martyr County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 43 Clifton Buildings Occupation: Journeyman butcher Henry Harris 45 Caroline Harris 37 Barlow Harris 5 Doris Harris 2 Robert Harris 1
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12 Jan 2014 16:39 |
1911 England Census Caroline Harris Age in 1911: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 34 Faulkner St, New Cross S E Marital Status: Married 27 Years Estimated Marriage Year: 1884 Occupation: COTTON BAG TRADE Registration District: Greenwich Registration District Number: 28 Sub-registration District: Deptford South ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 2643 Caroline Harris 45 15 children, 8 living Barlow Harris 15 Doris Harris 12 Leonard Harris 9 Martha Harris 7 Irene Harris 2 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 2643.
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patchem
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12 Jan 2014 16:45 |
Father is a butcher Barlow Harris Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899 Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Added; Born 29 April 1895, also baptised Doris and Robert at the same time
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JoonieCloonie
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12 Jan 2014 18:05 |
Births Jun 1864 MAYO Caroline Jane Holborn 1b 497
The reason there is no marriage to Henry Harris is that she was already married :-)
and ordinary people seldom got divorced at that time, they just moved on
of the couples who married in 1884, Edwards probably married Sheppard: John and Amy E Edwards in Hackney in 1891
so Mayo married Blanchard but I can't trace him ...
whoever made that tree just took the 'estimated marriage date' / years married from the 1911 census and did not bother finding a real marriage
edit, I expect this is her death
Name: Caroline J Harris Birth Date: abt 1864 Date of Registration: Dec 1922 Age at Death: 58 Registration District: Camberwell Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 803
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 18:13 |
Interesting as
Barlow Harris Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899 Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris
Barlow is one of the names of our Henry.
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 18:32 |
for reference
1851 Address: 24, Tenison Street, Lambeth HARRIS, Jabez Head Married M 36 1815 Butcher Penrith, Gloucestershire HARRIS, Margaret Wife Married F 32 1819 Southwark, Surrey HARRIS, William Son M 7 1844 Christchurch, Surrey HARRIS, Arthur Son M 6 1845 Lambeth, Surrey HARRIS, Margaret Daughter F 4 1847 Lambeth, Surrey HARRIS, Barlow Son M 2 1849 Lambeth, Surrey HARRIS, Peter Son M 1 1850 Lambeth, Surrey COURTENAY, Mary Servant Unmarried F 18 1833 House Servant Cork, Ireland
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JoonieCloonie
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12 Jan 2014 18:38 |
I do think it's sorted :-)
Henry ... Harris and Caroline Jane Mayo did not marry because she was previously married
(only one Caroline Jane Mayo ever existed)
and apparently Henry was as well ... one or both of their spouses may not have been deceased
then in 1911 Henry's 'real' wife was deceased so he was a widower
the birth certificate for Barlow Harris would give conclusive info for his mother
Births Jun 1895 Harris Barlow Wandsworth 1d 716
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JoonieCloonie
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12 Jan 2014 18:55 |
Jane Bransford in 1871 in St Bodolph without Aldersgate
William Bransford 28 Jane Bransford 33 Martha Bransford 8 Agnes Bransford 5 Elizabeth Davies 19
Deaths Mar 1873 Bransford William James 30 London C. 1c 15
widowed Jane Bransford married Henry Harris 1874
daughter Martha in 1881 in Clerkenwell
Martha Bransford 18 Thomas Bransford 8 brother to lodger
... boarding with Henry Harris, Butcher, and wife Jane in Clerkenwell:
Henry Harris 33 butcher born Lambeth Jane Harris 43 laundress born South Wales Pembrokeshire Arthur Harris 5 Frederick Harris 3 Margaret Jones 17 servant
Andrew had the right household early on, but because Ancestry has butchered the household you have to look at the image to make the connnection with Bransford to be sure
and I would agree with the Mountfort 'marriage' Andrew posted :-)
Caroline in 1871 in St James Clerkenwell, for good measure
Thos Mayo 42 Caro Mayo 40 Thos G Mayo 17 Minnie Mayo 14 Geo P Mayo 12 Eliza C Mayo 10 > Caro J Mayo 7 Ada E Mayo 3
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LadyKira
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12 Jan 2014 19:09 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Doris Jane Ivy Harris Name: Doris Jane Ivy Harris Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899 Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Robert William Harris Name: Robert William Harris Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899 Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
baptised same day as Barlow and father is a buther. I cnnot read the address but it is Walworth.
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JoonieCloonie
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12 Jan 2014 19:26 |
yes patchem posted the Barlow baptism and noted that the other two were baptised on the same day :-)
birth certificate will give the info about the mother and is the only way to get it!
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patchem
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12 Jan 2014 19:48 |
We have not got Henry in 1891, and we have not got Caroline in 1891. Or Caroline in 1881.
She claims 15 children by 1911, so will some of these be born to Blanchard? If so, what happened to them?
And why has Henry left her and is in the workhouse in 1911?
And what year of birth is he claiming in some of those censuses?
I am still looking.
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