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Thank you all so much for your help, it's deeply appreciated as I never knew we had family over in America.

Thank you for all the links and I'll PM you as I can't find the tree.

Still tracing Arthur Edwin Thums

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Arthur E Thums
Name: Arthur E Thums
Residence Year: 1934
Street Address: 150 Christiana
Residence Place: North Tonawanda, New York
Publication Title: North Tonawanda, New York, City Directory, 1934
(living with his parents)

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Arthur E Thums
Name: Arthur E Thums
Residence Year: 1942
Street Address: 145 Elwood avE
Residence Place: Newark, New Jersey
Publication Title: Newark, New Jersey, City Directory, 1942

Entry reads (someone else can sort it out as it could be different families
Thums Adolphus E(Anna R) real est & ins (303)
850 Broad h 541 Parker
- Arthur E r 145 Elwood Ave
-Auto Laundry (Bert A Thums) 360 Broadway
-Bert A (Mabel L) (Thums Auto Laundry) 360
Broadway h 349 do
-Robert A chauf 349 Broadway

Can't find an entry after that date at the moment

There are lots of newspaper articles about the Thums family on this site:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

You were disappointed that the US branch died out – I don’t think it did as so far you’ve discounted Lillian (Jameson) of Irvington New Jersey, and Bert Thums of Newark New Jersey (1961 Adolphus’ obit)

The Bert in the city directory is probably Adophus’ brother. The (Mabel L) on the 1942 city directory would be his wife
WW1 Draft Registration Cards 1917-1918
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Bert A Thums
Name: Bert A Thums
County: Erie
State: New York
Birthplace: New York
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1894

Born Argusville, NY.
Has a wife and dependents

US World War II Draft Registration Cards 1942
Name: Bert Albert Thums
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1892
Birth Place: Argusville, New York
Residence: Essex, New Jersey
Race: White
Self employed – nok – Mrs Mabel Thums living at 349 Broadway, Newark, NJ

His death
name: Bert Thums
SSN: 153-22-7244
Last Residence: 07114 Newark, Essex, New Jersey, USA
Born: 6 Jun 1893
Died: Sep 1975
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

1920 United States Federal Census about Bert A Thums
Name: Bert A Thums
[Bert A. Thums]
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Tonawanda Ward 1, Erie, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mabel L Thums
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bert A Thums 26
Mabel L Thums 22
Robert A Thums 0
[4/12]

1930 United States Federal Census about Bert A Thums
Name: Bert A Thums
[Bert A Thuma]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Home in 1930: Tonawanda, Erie, New York
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mabel L Thums
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bert A Thums 36
Mabel L Thums 32
Robert A Thums 10

1940 United States Federal Census about Bert Thums
Name: Bert Thums
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Newark, Essex, New Jersey
Map of Home in 1940: View map
Street: Broadway
House Number: 349
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Newark, Essex, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 15A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 467
Occupation: Manager
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 35
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 2nd year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 48
Class of Worker: Employer
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bert Thums 46
Mabel Thums 42
Robert Thums 19
Fred Dietsch 44 - Roomer

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Bert A Thums
Name: Bert A Thums (Mabel)
Gender: Male
Residence Year: 1955
Street Address: 345 Broadway
Residence Place: Newark, New Jersey
Occupation: Stock Clerk
Spouse: Mabel Thums
Publication Title: Newark, New Jersey, City Directory, 1955

Bert and Mabel's son

U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current about Robert Thums
Name: Robert Thums
SSN: 155-16-6040
Born: 12 Sep 1919
Died: Jul 1984
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 about Robert A Thums
Name: Robert A Thums
Birth Year: 1919
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: New York
State of Residence: New Jersey
County or City: Essex

Enlistment Date: 13 Aug 1943
Enlistment State: New Jersey
Enlistment City: Newark
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 4 years of high school
Civil Occupation: Stock clerks
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 00
Weight: 000

Robert A Thums popped up in earlier City Directories with other Thums
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Robert A Thums
Name: Robert A Thums
Residence Year: 1942
Street Address: 349 Broadway
Residence Place: Newark, New Jersey
Occupation: Chauffeur
Publication Title: Newark, New Jersey, City Directory, 1942

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 about Robert A Thums
Name: Robert A Thums
Phone Number: 548-5042
Address: 60 Calvert Ave E, Edison, NJ, 08820-3248 (1974)

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 about Robert A Thums
Name: Robert A Thums
Address: 60 Calvert Ave E, Edison, NJ, 08820-3248 (1995)

making a reverse search for the 1995 entry, there is an additional result. Bear in mind that Robert's A could have been confused with a D

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 about Ronald D Thums
Name: Ronald D Thums
Address: 60 Calvert Ave E, Edison, NJ, 08820-3248 (1995)

OK, although he died. Check this out
http://www.instantcheckmate.com/search/resultsAPI/ALL/Thums/Robert

Associated names
Grace Thums
Robert Thums - that could be his own listing
Ronald Thums

Here's Grace

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 about Grace F Thums
Name: Grace F Thums
Phone Number: 548-5042
Address: 60 Calvert Ave E, Edison, NJ, 08820-3248 (1993)

Her death
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current about Grace F. Thums
Name: Grace F. Thums
SSN: 148-10-0530
Last Residence: 08820 Edison, Middlesex, New Jersey, USA
Born: 12 May 1918
Died: Jun 1994
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

So Grace was Robert's wife

Searching on http://www.peoplefinders.com/ a free result for Ronald D Thums gives associated people
Edison, NJ
Grace F Thums
Robert A Thums
Roland D Thums
Ronald D Thums

So is Roland his son or his brother?

Good find Margee!

Repeating here in case your post got lost amongst everything else

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

I always forget that site :-0

U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002 about Roland D Thums
Name: Roland D Thums
Address: 33 Maple St A
City: South River
State: New Jersey
Zip Code: 08882-1036
Phone Number: 732-613-9343
2002 to 2003

Roland D Thums appears to be still around and has lived in

Edison NJ
South River NJ
Roselle NJ
New Brunswick NJ

I can’t find a current address without paying for access.
https://pipl.com/search/?
q=Ronald+D+Thums&l=Edison%2C+NJ%2C+US&sloc=&in=6
(copy and paste both lines)

He is closely associated with Roland Thums – the other names previously given are ‘related’ people.

It might be worth searching facebook for both Roland and Ronald.

Can't find much about Lillian Jameson (nee Thums) other than the census in the previous posts. It would seem that either her husband was somewhere else or they had separated.

Bearing in mind that she was living in NJ at the time of her brother's death in 1966, this might be her own.


Name: Lillian Jameson
SSN: 148-26-7961
Last Residence: 07017 East Orange, Essex, New Jersey, USA
Born: 20 Apr 1887
Died: Apr 1975
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (1951-1952)
.............

Although I've enjoyed this hunt, it's time to hand it over to someone else.
Good luck and lets hope that SukiLover gets back to you, and that it is possible to make contact with Roland or Ronald

There's an obit here for Roland Thums' father-in-law. (father of Susan)

http://www.pricecountydaily.com/obituaries/article_113ed71d-620b-515e-9deb-a2babb957353.html?mode=jqm

Right, so Grace married Robert?
And the other Thums names are their children?

Don't know if you have this 1915 census?

New York, State Census, 1915
about Adolphus E Thums Name: Adolphus E Thums
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Place: United States
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Residence Place: North Tonawanda Ward 04, Niagara
Relationship: Son
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 19
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 158
Line Number: 43
Page Number: 03
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Thums 47 , born England
Annie Thums 46 , born England
Lillian Jameson 25 , daughter, born England
John Jameson 34 , son-in-law, born USA
Arthur E Thums 26 , son, born England
Albert Thums 20 , son, born USA
Adolphus E Thums 19 , son born USA

Lillian still with parents in 1925 but no husband with her and no children. Some mistranscription done here , Arthur E Jameson is Arthur E. Thums and Eudolphus Thermo is E. Adolphus Thums.


New York, State Census, 1925
about Lillian Jameson Name: Lillian Jameson
[Lillian Thums]
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Place: England
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Residence Place: North Tonawanda Ward 05, Niagara
Relationship: Daughter
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 32
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 158
Line Number: 44
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Thums 54
Anna Thums 53
Lillian Jameson 38
Arthur E Jameson 39
Eudolphus Thermo 30

To summarise

Ernest Adolphus Thums married (or at least co-habited with) Anna Rebecca Stove somewhere around 1925. They don’t appear to have any children together although Anna had 3 with her first husband, Edward Cleveland Freed

Lilian Thums married John H Jameson. No children appear with her on census.

Arthur Edwin Thums 20 Jun 1885 is unmarried (or at least not living with a wife) up to 1943. As he is not mentioned in Adolphus obit, he could have died by then.

Bert A Thums 6 Jun 1894 married Mabel L.
Their son -Robert A Thums 12 Sep 1919 - Jul 1984
He married Grace F 12 May 1918 - Jun 1994

They are likely to have had a son Roland,
Roland married Susan Marschke (as per the obit Margee found)
And in turn ‘might’ have a son Ronald

Although I’ve lost track, Roland & Susan, as well as Ronald, might still be alive

1891 England Census Transcription
Street:69 WILFORD ROAD
Parish:ST MARY
Town:NOTTINGHAM
City:NOTTINGHAM
County:Nottinghamshire
Ecclesiastical District:ST SAVIOURS
Municipal Ward:MEADOWS
Parliamentary Borough:SOUTHERN NOTTINGHAM
Registration District:NOTTINGHAM
Registration Sub-District 1D Nottingham South West
Enumeration District:30
Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:2684 Folio:88 Page:41

JOHN KIRBY 1861 30 St Meads, Hants HEAD S Match Maker
ANNIE THUMS 1863 28 St Meads, Hants SISTER M
ARTHUR THUMS 1886 5 Basford, Notts SON
LILY THUMS 1888 3 Ilkeston, Derbyshire DAUGHTER
[The kids are Annie's - presumably Art Snr has already left for the US to get stuff sorted. Annie & kids will follow later in 1891 ([per 1900 census)]

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Bark Samuel Basford 7b 200
COOPER Mary Basford 7b 200
KIRBY Annie Basford 7b 200
Thums Arthur Basford 7b 200

Births Sep 1885 (>99%) [June b'day OK]
THUMS Arthur Edward Basford 7b 160

Births Jun 1887 (>99%) [April b'day OK]
Thums Lillie Nottingham 7b 276

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

1892 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQ97-B2P [with image link]

1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MSXM-MP1 [with image link]
Head Arthur Thomas M 36 England
Wife Annie Thomas F 35 England
Son Arthur Ellis Thomas M 14 England
Daughter Lillie Thomas F 12 England
Son Bertie Thomas M 7 New York
Son Adolphus Thomas M 5 New York
[marr 16 y; immig 1891]


1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M5S1-P6V
Household ID: 233
GS Film number: 1374948
Digital Folder Number: 004449709
Image Number: 01018
[catalog:
Film Notes (This family history center has 175 of 175 films/fiche.)
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS
Population schedules: Delaware and Hamilton Co. [NARA T624 roll 935] Family History Library United States & Canada Census Area 1374948 ]

1915 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9L6-TSN
North Tonawanda Ward 04, Niagara, New York, United States
Arthur Thums 1868
Annie Thums 1869
Lillian Jameson 1890
John Jameson 1881
Arthur E Thums 1889
Albert Thums 1895
Adolphus E Thums 1896


1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MVMV-5BH
GS Film number: 1821240
Digital Folder Number: 004442066
Image Number: 00926

1925 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS7D-DS8
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS7D-DS6
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS7D-DSF
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KS7D-DSJ


1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4DF-WL8
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4DF-WLC
Affiliate Film Number: 1331
GS Film number: 2341066
Digital Folder Number: 004660868
Image Number: 00188
[Essex Co is in NW corner of NJ]

1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RQ-HFV
Affiliate Film Number: 1619
GS Film number: 2341353
Digital Folder Number: 004639167
Image Number: 00526
[So Art, Anna & Art are double counted]

1940 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4BX-GM9 [with image link]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4BF-6KR [with image link]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4BX-5D5 [with image link]



1910-1930 Federal census images [Magnify 4 clicks, then save image]:
https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po935unit#page/n995/mode/1up
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1240unit#page/n924/mode/1up
[addy=158 Christiana St]
https://archive.org/stream/newjerseycensus00reel1331#page/n185/mode/1up
[Lily a=41 wed a=22; Adolph a=38 wed a=33; enum'd 9/4/1930]
https://archive.org/stream/newyorkcensus00reel1619#page/n522/mode/1up
[addy=158 Christiana St; enum'd 9-10/4/1930]

WW1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K6JV-HR5 [with image link]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K6JV-HRR [with image link]

WW2 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRR3-5PY [with image link]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRR3-5PB [with image link]

Thank you all for your help!
I've added it all to my family tree and are looking into other family members. Just takes tracking living relatives down!

Name: Susan Winona Marschke
Name Prefix:
Name Suffix:
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Apr 1980
Event Place: Hillsborough, Florida, United States
Gender: Female
Race: White
Spouse's Name:
Volume: 4672
Certificate Number: 036261

Marriage for Roland and Susan?

Nonetheless I thank you for all of your help over the past few days!