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I am looking for information on Samuel Prouse (1850-1932), or rather that is what he was known as, in various stages of his life he has been known as Edward (1861 census), Edward Samuel (Death Cert), Edward William Samuel (2nd marriage cert), but most of the records I've found since him being an adult have been Samuel (1st marriage cert, censuses 1881-1911) I never found him on the 1871 census.

What do I know, he was born in Ashbury, Devon in 1850 (a tiny farming village). but there is no GRO record, later census records confirm date, church records were destroyed in fire so no christening record, marriage cert, no clues here, father is unknown, he married Mary Ann Carter in Brotton, North Yorkshire in 1873, he had 13 children, and they lived in Marske, Mary died in 1920 and in 1921 he married Mary French. Samuel and his sons worked in the Ironstone mines at Skinningrove.

There is a story that Samuels grandfather disowned his mother for being pregnant and unmarried, his sons found out some years later that it was reputed he had relented and wanted contact but Samuel forbade his sons to do so, the name of the mother and grandfather are unknown.

Any information, especially Samuels mother, would be most helpful.

Many thanks.

Name: Samuel Prouse
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Devon
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name:
Source Reference:
Digital Folder Number: 004635020

As it wasn't compulsory to register a birth until the 1873, his mother probably didn't bother. Bearing in mind that you believe that his mother was 'disowned', check the nearest work house records. She may have gone there for the birth and would be recorded on the Admission and (both on the) Discharge books.

Have you managed to track down the Bishop Transcript books of parish records or were the PR destroyed before they could be compiled?

Have you found Edward Samuel on the 1851 census? Who else is in the household and what is his relationship to them?

Have you followed through with the witness names on the first MC, or are they from the bride's side of the family?

Name: Mabel Prouse
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 May 1899
Christening Place: Marske in Cleveland, New Marske Wesleyan, Yorks, ENG
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1899
Birthplace: Marske (near Guisbrough), York, England
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Samuel Prouse
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16406-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1546292
Reference ID: item 8 p 51

Name: Joe Prouse
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 31 Oct 1901
Christening Place: New Marske, Yorks, ENG
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1901
Birthplace: Marske (near Guisbrough), York, England
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Samuel Prouse
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16406-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1546292
Reference ID: item 8 p 56

GENUKI/Devon: Ashbury - Genealogy
genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Ashbury Cached
"ASHBURY parish, 5 miles S.W. of Hatherleigh, has only 65 souls ... but Bishop's Transcripts going back to 1610 are held in the Devon Record Office.

1871 England Census about Samuel Rowse
Name: Samuel Rowse
[Samuel Prouse]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashbury, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Teath
Town: Pengelly
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration District: Camelford
Sub-registration District: Camelford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 79
Piece: 2221
Folio: 45
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
George Walles 50
Fanny Walles 52
Anne Lobb 6
William Joliffe 22
Samuel Rowse 22<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

on Ancestry

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Samuel Rowse
[Samuel Prouse] ? abt 1849 Ashbury , Devon, England relation city, Cornwall

Devon Census & County Records - Census Archives: UK & Ireland ...
www.census-archives.co.uk/england/Devon.htm Cached
Devon Census and County Genealogy Records. Devon is a county of England, reaching from the Bristol to the English Channel, and bounded by Cornwall ...

The Prouse family pages are still under construction.

My Gt-Gt-Grandfather was Samuel Prouse (b: about 1850 in Ashbury, Devon) he married Mary Ann Carker (b: about 1857, Liskard, Cornwall) on 5th February, 1873 in Brotton, North Yorkshire.

Although my branch of this family stayed in the Yorkshire area, there are many references to Devon & Cornwall.

Family Pages
www.thevillage.karoo.net/profile.html Cached
These records are mainly written in Latin, ... this data is taken from Parish Records which where started in 1537. ... about 1850 in Ashbury, Devon) ...

On the 1911 census he is in Cornwall where his wife came from.

Name: Mary Ann Carter
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1856
Event Place: Liskeard, Cornwall, England
County: Cornwall
Page: 98
Volume: 5
Affiliate Line Number: 20
Registration Quarter: 2
One of these people is probably the spouse:
Name: Jane Gist
Name: Edward Hendy
Name: Joseph Rounsefell

Thank you very much for the replies

Thank you for the 1871 census, that fits, its obviously mistranscribed, this links with Mary Ann Carter, she was born in Cornwall, Mary's father Richard moved up to Skinningrove to work in the mines as well, perhaps this was how they met.

I have not found him on the 1851 census, there is a record for an Edward Prouse

Name: Edward S Prowse
Age: 2
Gender: Male
Birthplace: N K
Relationship to Head of Household: Visitor
Schedule Type: Household

I dont have access to view the record though.

The Prouse family pages under construction are mine, I started the website many moons ago, I havent updated it for some time due to other commitments, I have just recommenced researching after a long break.

I have much information on Samuels children, they are:
Mary Elizabeth 1874-1955
Samuel Richard 1876-1953
Albert William 1978-1948
Emma Jane 1880-1940
Eli Joseph 1882-1970
Edmund Thomas 1884-1958 (my gt-grandfather)
Minnie 1886-1962
Lily 1889-1891
Louie 1891-1976
Lily 1893-1979
Alfred 1896-1971
Mabel 1899-1908
Joe 1901-1990

The witnesses on the the 1st MC are James and Mary Ann Tenby they dont appear to have any connection, they were husband and wife and they lived in St Cleer in 1871, which is were Mary Ann Carter came from, it may be a relative of Mary she was only 17 at the time of her marriage.

1851 England Census about Edward S Prowse
Name: Edward S Prowse
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: N
Civil Parish: North Tawton
Town: North Tawton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Address 6 Exeter Street
Registration District: Okehampton
Sub-registration District: Bratton Clovelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 6
Piece: 1885
Folio: 635
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Evans 56 - Head, married, Ag Lab born Bondleigh, Devon
Christiani Evans 33 - wife, b Week St Mary, Cornwall
Elizabeth Evans 12 - daughter b North Tawton
Samuel Evans 8 - do b North Tawton
William Evans 3 - son b North Tawtom
Edward S Prowse 2 - visitor b unknown
Ellen Burridge 19 - Lodger, unknown marital status, Worsted Spinner b Crediton Devon

Thanks for the 1851 census transcript, it offers little clues doesnt it, Ellen Burridge could be the mother I suppose, but generally the children took the same surname as the mother when born out of wedlock, in 1861 Ellen is a servant in Paddington, London and Edward is in Chagford Okehampton.

In 1846 a Thomas Prouse b1826c married Mary Ann Gale b1826c. According to the 1851 census they and their daughter Mary Ann b1847 are living in Inwardleigh which is not too far from Ashbury. It is possible that Thomas and Mary Ann were the parents of Samuel (Edward).
Regards,
George Morland

Thanks George, anything is a possibility with this chap, his marriage cert states father unknown, so I'm assuming his mother unmarried, some time ago, his Gt Grandaughter did say to my cousin that she believed he was illegitimate but we have never been able to prove it, or otherwise. The above couple could be relatives of his mother of course

I have been trying to contact you a s I am a prouse and might have answers

Welcome to the boards Dave.

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