Find Ancestors

Can anyone help me find the death record for my great grandfather. He was born in 1867 in St Pancras, London.
He was married to Mary Allen on the 26 Sept 1886. His parents were William G Burt (1835-1881) and Isabella Burt (1837-1916)
Any info would be great xx

For background:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1328634?page=0

What is the last census or other record that you've found him on?

Could this be him in 1911 with a second wife? They've only been married 3 years.

1911 England Census
about George Burt Name: George Burt
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Calverley Grove, Upper Holloway N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CARMAN EMPLOYED
Registration District: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration District: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 806
Household Members: Name Age
George Burt 44
Cecilia Mary Burt 32
Albert Burt 10
Sidney Richd Vincent Burt 2
Eleen Cecilia Burt 1
Alfred Hardeman 24

If Margee's 1911 family is correct then the family lived in Willesden according to electoral rolls, so this maybe George's death,

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1952 (>99%)
BURT George 86 Willesden 5f 297

Thank you for your replies.....this has confused me somewhat?
George (1866) born married Mary Ann Allen in 1886 and they had children
Nelly -1889
George -1891
Isabel - 1896
Harry - 1897 (my grandfather)
Albert - 1898

It does state on his wedding banns to Mary Allen that he was a Carman (as stated above) but i have not come across the above names any of the other names listed??

Please can you advise how you knew they were only married for 3 years.

Many thanks in advance x

The 1911 census asks the Question ''How long have you been married'' and the answers were recorded, in this case 3 years

This looks like Marys death,

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
Burt Mary Ann 41 Islington 1b 152


And George's 2nd marriage,

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
ALGEE Jessie Islington 1b 638
ALGEN Jessie Islington 1b 638
Alger Jessie Islington 1b 638
BURT George Islington 1b 638 <<<<<<<<<
EDMUNDS Frederick Harold Islington 1b 638
HENNESSEY Cecilia Mary Islington 1b 638 <<<<<<<<<<

This is Nelly as the address of Schofield Rd is given,

Historical Records
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Nellie Burt
Name: Nellie Burt
Age: 10
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1888
School: Cottenham Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1899
Parent: George Burt
Notes: Cottenham Road School (0181) opened 1873, later Hanley School from 1938. In 1951 Hanley Secondary School became Archway Secondary School for Girls. Hanley Primary School became Hanleigh Primary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/COT/AD/007


Has Harry ever been found on the 1911 census? I see George and Isabel with their Grandmother Allen, Albert is with his father so it's just Nellie and Harry that I can't find and wondered if they were together?

Ahhh i understand......strange how there are 3 different spellings for Jessie's surname

Jessie married Frederick Edmunds, no part of your ancestors..... If her name could be spelt differently they often did that.

This is George jnr,

All London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Results
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Geo Burt
Name: Geo Burt
Age: 7
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1890
School: Cottenham Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 1 Jul 1898
Parent: Geo
Notes: Cottenham Road School (0181) opened 1873, later Hanley School from 1938. In 1951 Hanley Secondary School became Archway Secondary School for Girls. Hanley Primary School became Hanleigh Primary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/COT/AD/003

Just nice for you to have their DOB. Address is Schofield Rd again.

On your other thread about Harry's Ist marriage, when he married your Nan in 1945 what occupation did he put down, also what was his address and the name of the witnesses?

Dee :-D

@ Batmansdaughter.....
Many thanks for your reply......there is very little on Harry sadly (as i would have loved to know more on my grandfather)
All i have is: birth cert born 28th Feb 1897, parents Mary (formally Allen) and George.
Death cert, died 18th March 1966.

I also have the wedding cert to my grandmother.....this proved difficult as they were married on the 18th Aughust 1945. It states my grandfather was a widower but unable to track a first marriage for him. I found 1 marriage and ordered cert this was to a Norah Alice on August the 6th 1922 in Penge, Kent but i don't believe this is him.

I was given 2 war medals also the Victory Medal and British War medal ....nim not sure if these belong to Harry Burt or Harry's father George.

Unfortunately i statred this tree with my father who has since passed away so very little info on Harry (Harry died when my father was a child).

Harry's wedding cert to Stella states he was a Home Decorator (journeyman) the address was 29 Bensham Manor Road, Thornton Heath.
Witnesses on cert say E.Davies and D.Reynolds

Hi, on the medals are there names and numbers on the outer edge? The number would be a service number and we may, if lucky, pick him up on the WW1 service or pension records. Sometimes these gave wife and children's names.

I'll keep looking for you. :-D

Hahahaha.....oh my goodness i had never noticed the writing on the side (yes you may laugh!!)

GS-47992 PTE. P.CARD. R.FUS

Hmmm maybe they were not any of my relations??
After my mother died my dad was in a relationship with a woman called Jayne Card. These must have been hers :(

Ok..... That 1 mystery solved

..England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Cecilia M Burt Name: Cecilia M Burt
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Sep 1962
Age at Death: 83
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 421

Unfortunately I can't see anything relating to Bensham Manor Road.

At least, like you say, the medals are sorted now, maybe something for you to look into though at a later date?

Was your Nan, Stella's family from the Croydon area? What was her fathers occupation? Just wondering if there could be work links there.

My nan Stella Burt (maiden name Lally) was originally from Weardale, Co Durham. Her father was Thomas Lally born abt 1886 in Jarrow, Durham.

On Stella's birth cert fatners occupation says Steel Dresser (journeyman)

Cannot understand why Harry and father George are so difficult to find info on??

I think the George found in 1911 is Harry's father with his new wife. I traced him with his son and I think the death would be correct, however I think that George and his wife Cecilia may have separated as she died later than George but by 1940 she isn't living with him or her son Sidney.

Your Grandfather is proving difficult, can't find him on the 1911 census, he was most likely to have been in WW1, sadly 70% of WW1 records were burnt in WW2 when they were bombed.

I think the next way forward is to get the electoral role checked for Bensham Manor Road in 1945 and see who is living there, with any luck you may find more answers?

Sometimes people didn't want to be found, sometimes wrong information was added to census, and sadly sometimes people just didn't know who they were.

I find it odd how George jnr and Isabel are with their grandmother Allen, how Albert is with his father and stepmother and yet Harry is nowhere to be seen.

Have to go out for a while, I'll keep fighting about when I come back. :-D :-D

Just looking at this marriage,

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)
Burt Harry Watts Kensington 1a 371
Watts Evelyn B Burt Kensington 1a 371


Evelyn's death,

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Jun 1942 (>99%)
Burt Evelyn B 41 Surrey S.W. 2a 722

There's also info that conflicts with that 1941 death and the 1932 (sorry!)

It's just that there's this birth:

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Phyllis E Burt
Mother's Maiden Surname: Watts <<<
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Registration District: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 288

and then later on several ERs

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Evelyn B Burt
Year: 1953
County or Borough: Harrow
Ward or Division/Constituency: Harrow East
Street Address: 5 Albany House
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0897


Living with a Phyllis E Burt (unless they're sisters?)