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16 Dec 2013 23:27 |
my grandmothers birth certificate links this up , she was ruth graham born 1915. so was the younger of the children.
I am now trying to find the link to from Hugh Thomas dob 1881 and his brother Richard Graham dob 1885 mary graham c1876 ? older sister
to who I think is there farther, another Hugh graham born 1856, but this man died between 1881 and 1891 and I cannot find him named with the children any were can anyone help
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16 Dec 2013 23:35 |
I have posted the 1881 on page 1. Hugh Thomas is with his parents,Hugh and Jane and his older sister Mary Jane in Cornwall.
Also posted a possible death for Hugh (Senior) in 1886.
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16 Dec 2013 23:41 |
If I have found the correct Jane Ann Robinson at 1911 it states she had 1 child born and 1 still living If this is correct, she is not the mother of Mary, Hugh Thomas or Richard.
1911 England Census about Jane Ann Robinson Name: Jane Ann Robinson Age in 1911: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Parish of St Germyns, Devonshire, England Civil Parish: Usworth County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 44 New Rows North, New Washington Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: Coal Miner Registration District: Chester le Street Registration District Number: 554 Sub-registration District: Harraton ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Piece: 30135 Household Members: Name Age Jane Ann Robinson 54 widowed James Robinson Fox 30 Boarder born Monkwearmouth
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16 Dec 2013 23:44 |
Mary Jane's birth??
Births Jun 1876 Mutton Mary Jane Launceston 5c 35
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16 Dec 2013 23:46 |
She could be GlasgowLass. I think the question was how many children born in the current marriage. So that would be correct as the older children were born before her marriage to Mr. Robinson.
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16 Dec 2013 23:50 |
If that is the correct birth for Mary Jane, it looks like she stayed in Cornwall with her grandmother?
1891
Name: Mary Jane Mutton Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Stoke Climsland, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Stoke Climsland Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke Climsland Town: Clitters County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Launceston Sub-registration District: North Hill ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1805 Folio: 75 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Emma J Mutton 55 Ellen L Mutton 22 Samuel Mutton 15 Mary Jane Mutton 15
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17 Dec 2013 00:01 |
And to confirm that Emma J Mutton is Jane Ann's mother
1861 - Mutton on image
Name: Jan Ann Mussen [Jan Ann Mutton] Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Richard Mussen Mother's Name: Emma J Mussen Gender: Female Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St German Ecclesiastical parish: Tideford County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans ED, institution, or vessel: 7d Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 39 Piece: 1524 Folio: 89 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Richard Mussen 30 Emma J Mussen 25 Mary E Mussen 7 Jan Ann Mussen 4 Emma Mussen 2 Rebecca M Mussen 1
Birth place for all St Germans (same as Jane Ann on 1891 census)
Must log off for tonight (or this morning). Will look back tomorrow.
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17 Dec 2013 00:14 |
thanks a lot for your help I must turn off now too :-)
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17 Dec 2013 09:26 |
Births Jun 1856 MUTTON Jane Ann St Germans 5c 51
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Marriages Dec 1853 Forward Elizabeth Stoke D 5b 625 KELLY James Stoke D 5b 625 MUTTON Richard Stoke D 5b 625 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Thomas Emma Jane Stoke D 5b 625 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
1881 - Look at the address, same as Hugh gives as his birthplace on one of the census!
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Emma Jane Mutton Gender: Male Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Stoke Climsland County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address: Railway Cottage <<<<<<<<<<<<< Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Plate Layer Registration District: Launceston Sub-registration District: North Hill ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2278 Folio: 71 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Richard Mutton 51 Emma Jane Mutton 45 Albert Thomas Mutton 17 Ellen Mutton 12 Editha Lucy Mutton 6 Samuel Mutton 5
1871
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma J Mutton Gender: Male Where born: Stoke Climsland, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Stoke Climsland County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration District: Launceston Sub-registration District: North Hill ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 82 Piece: 2227 Folio: 18 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Richard Mutton 41 Emma J Mutton 35 Rebaca J Mutton 11 Amilia Mutton 9 Albert T Mutton 7 Ellen L Mutton 2
1851
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Lodger Gender: M (Male) Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Callington County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Liskeard Sub-registration District: Callington ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 102 Piece: 1901 Folio: 223 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Mutton 33 Hannah Mutton 33 Samuel Mutton 3 Richard Mutton 23 Thomas Wilton 21
1841 - Pity he is not with his parents
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Gender: Male Where born: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Germans Hundred: East (South Division) County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 135 Book: 4 Folio: 25 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age William May 20 Joseph Waddleton 15 James Powele 15 Richard Mutton 13 Willam Hawken 10 Martha Cock 20 Ann Rundle 15 Sally Powele 14
His baptism?
County Cornwall Place St Germans Church St Germanus RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 31 Aug 1828 Forename Richard Sex M FatherForename Richard MotherForename Mary FatherSurname MUTTON MotherSurname Abode FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 11095
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Name: Emma Jane Thomas Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Germans Hundred: East (South Division) County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 135 Book: 5 Folio: 5 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas 40 Penelope Thomas 40 Ann Thomas 8 Emma Jane Thomas 5 John Thomas 2
County Cornwall Place Hessenford (Chapelry) Church St. Ann RegisterNumber 34 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 13 Dec 1835 Forename Emma Jane Sex F FatherForename John MotherForename Penelope FatherSurname THOMAS MotherSurname Abode Madeis in the parish of St Germans FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 32297
County Cornwall Place Hessenford (Chapelry) Church St. Ann RegisterNumber 120 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 29 Jul 1838 Forename John Sex M FatherForename John MotherForename Penelope FatherSurname THOMAS MotherSurname Abode Medes FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 32297
1851
Name: Penelope Thomas Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Thomas Gender: F (Female) Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Germans County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 53 Piece: 1900 Folio: 280 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas 52 Penelope Thomas 52 Maria Thomas 8 Daughter
1871
Name: Penelope Thomas Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Thomas Gender: Female Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St German Ecclesiastical parish: Hessenford Town: Higher Treyone and Lower Treyone County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 19 Piece: 2230 Folio: 58 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas 72 Penelope Thomas 72
???? Deaths Sep 1876 THOMAS Penelope 80 Liskeard 5c 42
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17 Dec 2013 09:45 |
Richard's parents in 1841?
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where born: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Germans Hundred: East (South Division) County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 135 Book: 4 Folio: 29 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Richard Mutton 50 Mary Mutton 50 Anthony Mutton 20 William Mutton 20 Samuel Mutton 15
???? Deaths Mar 1868 MUTTON Richard 81 St. Germans 5c 29
County Cornwall Place Tideford Church St Lukes RegisterNumber 11 BurialDate 09 Jan 1868 Forename Richard Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname Mutton Age 81 Abode Tideford Cross Notes FileNumber 34932
1851
Name: Richard Mutton Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787 Relation: Servant Gender: M (Male) Where born: St Ive, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Landrake County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 143 Piece: 1900 Folio: 378 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Rogers 38 Richard Mutton 64 Mary Mutton 63 House Servant, b. Menheniot, Cornwall, England
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Chris Ho :)
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17 Dec 2013 10:06 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1316041
(Is above relating?)
Chris :)
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17 Dec 2013 10:20 |
1901 - Hugh going by his middle name.
Name: Richard Graham Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Stepson Gender: Male Mother: Jane Robinson Birth Place: Usworth, Durham, England Civil Parish: Usworth Town: Washington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Robinson 46 Jane Robinson 45 Thomas Graham 20 Richard Graham 16 John Robinson 11
And brother Richard in 1911
Name: Richard Graham Age in 1911: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Usworth, Durham, England Civil Parish: Usworth County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 1 Claremont Terrace Springwell Nr Gateshead Marital Status: Married Occupation: Coal Miner Registration District: Chester le Street Registration District Number: 554 Sub-registration District: Harraton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 30133 Household Members: Name Age Richard Graham 26 Alice Graham 23
Married 1 year, no children.
Marriages Mar 1910 Burrows Alice Chester le S. 10a 834 GRAHAM Richard Chester le S. 10a 834
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17 Dec 2013 10:29 |
From that other thread. Posted last December!
hi can you hepl find my grandma ruth graham 1915, i have her married to john robert lambton, i have the marrage cert but it has her uncles name on it richard graham and not her farther hugh graham i also have the old birth cert but this just shows her name and dob. 3/9/1915 just want to make sure it is the right family
Linda's grandmother's birth
Births Dec 1915 GRAHAM Ruth Patterson Chester-le-S. 10a 1018
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17 Dec 2013 10:37 |
Perhaps she lived with her Uncle Richard after her father died?
Deaths Dec 1926 GRAHAM Hugh T 46 Chester-le-S. 10a 537
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17 Dec 2013 10:46 |
Births Jun 1882 Patterson Margaret Isabella S. Shields 10a 822
Hugh and Margaret had a further possible 7 children after that 1911 census so perhaps Margaret was unable to look after them all. It looks like Hugh's brother Richard and his wife may not have had any children so perhaps they looked after some of Hugh and Margarets.
Name: Margaret I Graham Birth Date: abt 1882 Date of Registration: Sep 1955 Age at Death: 73 Registration District: Durham Northern Inferred County: Durham Volume: 1a Page: 327
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17 Dec 2013 11:01 |
Births Mar 1905 Graham Mildred Isabella Chester le S. 10a 624
Middle initial "I" on image
Name: Mildred T Graham Spouse Surname: Mullen Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1929 Registration District: Chester-le-Street Inferred County: Durham Volume Number: 10a Page Number: 1075
Name: Mildred Isabella Mullen Birth Date: 20 Feb 1905 Date of Registration: Jan 1992 Age at Death: 86 Registration District: Sunderland Inferred County: Durham Volume: 2 Page: 1938
Births Jun 1907 GRAHAM Stanley Patterson Chester le S. 10a 642
Name: Stanley P Graham Birth Date: abt 1907 Date of Registration: Mar 1922 Age at Death: 15 Registration District: Chester le Street Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 928
Births Jun 1909 Graham Albert Thomas Chester le S. 10a 701
Name: Albert T Graham Birth Date: abt 1910 Date of Registration: Mar 1921 Age at Death: 11 Registration District: Chester le Street Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 754
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17 Dec 2013 11:14 |
Births Sep 1911 Graham Edith Patterson Chester-le-S. 10a 1299
Births Jun 1913 Graham Lorna Patterson Chester-le-S. 10a 1299
Births Sep 1918 Graham Hugh Patterson Chester le S. 10a 1111
Name: Hugh Graham Birth Date: 20 Aug 1918 Date of Registration: Sep 1997 Age at Death: 79 Registration District: Sunderland Inferred County: Durham Register Number: B55E District and Subdistrict: 0581B Entry number: 194
Births Sep 1921 Graham John H P Patterson Chester-le-S. 10a 1322
Name: John H P Graham Birth Date: abt 1922 Date of Registration: Jun 1922 Age at Death: 0 Registration District: Chester le Street Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 588
Births Jun 1925 Graham Arnold Patterson Chester-le-S. 10a 1185
Name: Arnold Graham Birth Date: 28 Mar 1925 Date of Registration: Mar 2006 Age at Death: 81 Registration District: Sunderland Inferred County: Durham Volume: -1 Page: -1 Register Number: C70E District and Subdistrict: 058/1C Entry number: 261
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17 Dec 2013 15:28 |
I am getting confuzzled now.
so far: Francis Graham married Jane Standford in 1804 .......
Robert Graham b 1826 married 1st Hannah Bainbridge and 2nd MARGARET PATTERSON From this 2nd marriage was son Hugh b 1856.
Hugh b 1856 married Jane Ann Mutton/Mytton in 1885. 3 chldren born prior to this marriage including Hugh Thomas Graham bc 1881
Hugh Thomas Graham then married MARGARET ISABELLA PATTERSON.
Therefore, Hugh Thomas's wife has the same name as his own paternal grandmother?
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18 Dec 2013 10:34 |
I think that only the two boys, Hugh Thomas and Richard were Hugh and Jane's children. I think Mary Jane was Jane's child from a previous relationship and that it why she remained in Cornwall with the maternal grandmother when Hugh and Jane moved north.
Jane Ann Mutton / Mytton was the daughter of Richard Mutton and Emily Jane Thomas.
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Linda
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12 Jan 2014 22:12 |
I am looking for Francis Graham born in 1791 England married to Jane.
I am looking for his farther if possible, can anyone help :-)
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