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Just tried to look up 20 Granby Street Leicester in the 1911 and it's not listed!!! It goes from number 12 to number 50.

My 'guess' is that the photographer referred to is Harry Clare, as in Alfred's baptism, and the 1911 Potty found putting Alfred and his mother Lilian in Leicester is correct unfortunately it doesn't give her marital status.

I have briefly seen my friend but no progress I'm afraid. She had difficulty grasping what had been discovered and was insistent on showing me photographs of ancestral relatives whose identity she did not know ! However, she did show me a letter which she thought might interest me. It read as follows:
Dear Aunty, Thank you for the money you gave me .... etc. etc. Love from Alfie. This letter was on headed paper: H. Clare, Photographer, Portland Studio, 20 Granby Street, Leicester !!! and dated 4 July 1909

She also showed me a certificate saying that Private Alfred Clare had served in the Pembroke Yeomanry Cyclists Corps during WW1. There was a number quoted A 6 290557.

I am hoping to meet up with her again next week for a couple of hours in order to try and glean more information.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Just to throw my tuppence worth in...Double-barrelling names....not always a snobbish element. I truly considered double-barrelling my maiden name Llewellyn with my married name Hunt because I am an only child and none of my male cousins had children; so it meant Llewellyn dying out. But I decided against it and, as it happens, I have two daughters anyway!

And I have lost count in my family of the number of grandmother's names (for example) used as Christian names...e.g. my great grandmother was a Marchant and several of her offspring and children's offspring have Marchant as a middle name. So Lord is a good example.

Margaret, let us know what she comes up with.

I have seen my friend and she is going to hunt out any certs/paperwork she can find and give me copies. Unfortunately Iwon't see her again until the middle of next week, so fingers crossed she has something which will be helpful.

Possible death for Harry?
Name:Harry Clare
Birth Date:abt 1875
Date of Registration:Dec 1925
Age at Death:50
Registration District:Barton upon Irwell
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8c
Page:692

TenerifeSun

Yes I am intrigued too! Do hope the poster's friend buys some certs and that the poster comes back with the info.

I suppose Alfred could have been Lillian Maybury's son but that still doesn't explain why Elizabeth changed her name to Lillian in the 1911. It does look as if Alfred snr and Elizabeth split up at some time and Alfred and Frederick stayed with their mother (or at least kept up contact with her) and Sidney stayed with his father.

Also, have just noticed that on the 1911, Elizabeth/Lillian says she has had two children and yet we seem to have found 3!

Her death is registered as Elizabeth and seems to be under both Clare and Maybury-Clare:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Elizabeth M Clare

Name:Elizabeth M Clare
Birth Date:abt 1871
Date of Registration:Sep 1952
Age at Death:81
Registration District:Barton
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:10b
Page:214


Name:Elizabeth Maybury-clare
Birth Date:abt 1871
Date of Registration:Sep 1952
Age at Death:81
Registration District:Barton
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:10b
Page:214

I think the original of your 1911 says

Doris Winifred LORD Willcock. (Known as Maybury)

Clara Elizabeth Maubury was probably Doris's mother

Name: Clara Elizabeth Maybury
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1892
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 15
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Fitzmaurice
>>>Clara Elizabeth Maybury
Elizabeth Morley
>>>Joseph Holroyd Wilcock

She died soon after Doris was born



Name: WILCOCK, Clara ElizabethRegistration district: [?] West Derby County: LancashireYear of registration: 1898Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death:31 Volume no: 8B Page no: 411


So many ex maidem names with them all! I will never complain about my double barrelled surname ( which I don't use) again. :-D

Just found a tree on Ancestry that has, as you say, Alfred and Lillian as siblings. Do you think that Alfred Fearon etc etc was Lilian's child and the father was Harry Clare as in the baptism details, and brought up by her brother Alfred and Elizabeth (Perkins)

I hope the posters friend gets a few certs as I'm intrigued now :-D

I think Lillian Ester was Alfred snr's sister - she is on the 1881 that I posted where the family are shown as Mabury and she is living with her mother in Penge on the 1911:

Elizabeth Alice Maybury 63
Edwin Maybury 40
Lillian Esther Maybury 32
Doris Winifred Ford Wilcock Maybury 14
Mary Julia Chantler 20

So she can't be the Lilian Maybury with Alfred jnr in Leicester.

Re Alfred and Sidney both lived previously with the women they married.

Looks like Alfred never married Florence until 1943

Marriages Mar 1943 (>99%)
Buckle Alice M Cooke Islington 1b 295
Cooke Joseph V L Buckle Islington 1b 295
>>>>Cunningham Florence M Maybury Islington 1b 295
>>>>Maybury Alfred E Cunningham Islington 1b 295
>>>>Maybury Alfred E Maybury Islington 1b 295
>>>>Maybury Florence M Maybury Islington 1b 295

London England electoral Rolls same address and people in 1932 and 1938

124 Upper Street, Islington London

Maybury Alfred Edward, Maybury Florence, Maybury Sidney Lord Bannister

PROBATE
maybury Alfred Edward of 124 Upper Street, Islington, London N1 died 23rd December 1950 at the Whittington Hospital Highgate London. Probate to Florence Mary Maybury widow. Effects £933.11.01

I can't find anything re Harry and Lily

Just clutching at straws now but there was a Harry Clare born Newton le willows, Merseyside 1879 and a Lilian Esther Maybury born Pendleton, Salford 1873. Can't find a marriage for them but wondered if this was when the two name were put together.

Probable marriage for Sidney

MarriageFinder™: Sidney L B Maybury married Helen Maybury [?]Name: MAYBURY, Sidney L BRegistration district: [?] Isle of Wight County: HampshireYear of registration: 1936Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Spouse's last name Sneddon Or MayburyVolume no: [?] 2B Page no: [?] 1777

Name: MAYBURY, HelenRegistration district: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1936 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-JunSpouse's last name: Maybury Volume no: 2B Page

EDIT......Maybe not as Helen is not on the Electoral Roll with Sidney in 1938

Yes, Tenerife Sun, I do think the Alfred in the 1911 is Alfred jnr's father. There are a couple of hits for Sidney if you google and Ancestry has some Naval records for him - he went on to be a Lt Commander.

The only other thing I can find for Alfred Snr is a possible on New York passenger lists but I cannot view it.

Well done Potty, do you think that Alfred Edward in your 1911 is the same Alfred that married Elizabeth Perkins, i do? Alfred and Elizabeth and Alfred aged 2 were in Toxteth in 1901.

Sidney was born in Toxteth in 1903 and died in Doncaster.

Name: MAYBURY, Sidney Lord BRegistration district: [?] Toxteth Park County: LancashireYear of registration: 1903Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3Volume no:[?]8BPage no:[?]168

Name: MAYBURY, Sidney Lord BRegistration district: [?] Doncaster County: YorkshireYear of registration: 1980Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Date of Birth:12 October 1903 Volume no: 3 Page no: 0357

Could this be where the Lord in Alfred's name came from:

1881 England Census
Name:Jane A. Lord
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Relationship to Head:Sister in Law
Where born:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Pendleton in Salford
Street Address:Heath Mount

Edward Mabury 47
Elizabeth D. Mabury 37
Edwin Mabury 11
Lilian Mabury 7
Percy Mabury 5
Alfred Mabury 3
Herbert Mabury 1
Winefred Mabury
Jane A. Lord 25


Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)

Lord Elizabeth A Barton 8c 622 Scan available - click to view
Maybury Edward Barton 8c 622

Also, this in 1911:


Name:
Alfred Edward Maybury

Age in 1911:33
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878
Relation to Head:Boarder
Birth Place:Eccles, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Sheffield
Street Address:1 Faranden Rd Sheffield
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Commercial Traveller

Alfred Edward Maybury 33
Sidney Lord Bannister Maybury 7

Possible baptism for Richard Powell:

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

Forenames: Richard
Surname: Powell

Baptism Year: 1866
Baptism Month: Jan
Baptism Day: 21

Place: Hanmer
County: Flintshire

Fathers Forenames: Thomas - Labourer
Mothers Forenames: Harriet

Page: 144
Record source: Flint baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Abode looks like Halghton.

I'm a bit puzzled about something - on the 1898 marriage that Reggie posted from Lancs OPC for Alfred & Lavinia it says record type = Banns and the notes say Cancelled.

On this record it states they married by licence - does that mean that they didn't wait for the banns to be read and instead married by special licence?

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Lavinia Emily Conolly of 22 Edith Street
Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 24
Marriage Date: 7 Sep 1898
Parish: Everton, Emmanuel
Spouse's Name: Richard Powell (32) a bookkeeper of 36 Queens Road.
Father's Name: John William Conolly
Spouse Father's Name: Thomas Powell
Reference Number: 283 EMM/3/2

Neither previously married. Both fathers given as deceased and no occupations given.

Witnesses: William Joseph Conolly & Isabella Jane Conolly.

A possibility for where the Fearon name may have come from???

Marriage:

Dec Q1865
Whitehaven 10b 928
Mary Ann Fearon
Frederick Vale Perkins

1881 census:

Elizabeth Perkins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Frederick V. Perkins
Mother: Mary A. Perkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Urmston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Gloucester Rd
Education:



Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration District: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3889
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick V. Perkins 53 born Birmingham occ: Agent to Linen Manufacturer
Mary A. Perkins 47 born Whitehaven
Ann Perkins 11
Elizabeth Perkins 10 born Manchester <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Perkins 5
Emma Lewis 18


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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< marriage

Sept Q 1897
Liverpool 8b 326
Elizabeth Perkins
Alfred Edward Maybury

Margaret if your friend sends for the certificate please let us know what it says.