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Margaret - that's exactly what I was getting at :-) And of course on the baptism in 1929 Alfred was 31 years old and had probably grown up hearing Harry refer to her as Lily. By the time of her death in 1952 maybe she had come clean?

Do let us know if you glean any little snippet!

Jude

Slightly digressing from the Maybury/Clare side of the family, I MAY have gleaned information on the John Conolly and wife Anne situation. There is a marriage of John Conolly and Anne CORNEILLE 1855 Kilmallock, Limerick and the birth of several children. Have noted it and will bear it in mind. Seeing my friend this Thursday for a couple of hours and sincerely hope she has some information or a tiny snippet which would help sort this lot out.

I agree that it appears that Frederick also returned to Mum at some point and was therefore, like Alfred, more or less brought up by Harry Clare. Referring back to the possibility of Elizabeth being 'Lilibet' could Harry have maybe even called her Lily thus shortening Lilbet a bit more - you know, like a pet name ? If the two boys heard her being called Lily perhaps that's why those two names appeared on the baptism. Just a thought - clutching at straws really !!!

Agree, Jude but although they adopted the Clare name, they kept the Maybury. Elizabeth/Lilian's death was registered under both and registered under Elizabeth not Lilian, so presumably her sons knew she was Elizabeth, so why Lily on the baptism?:

Deaths Sep 1952 (>99%)
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CLARE Elizabeth M 81 Barton 10b 214
MAYBURY-CLARE Elizabeth 81 Barton 10b 214

What I find strange is that obviously some sort of schism happened around 1907...eldest son Alfred seems to have stayed with mum, middle son Sidney seems to have stayed with dad. But what of the youngest son, Frederick? He was with his grandparents immediately after it seems but must have got back with his mum at some point because, like Alfred, he has taken Harry's name (and so I assume came to see him as his father).

Jude

The Elizabeth/Lily name change had occurred to me to, Jude. There does seem to have been a bit of an upheaval in Alfred's life around 1907.

Just a total trivial post.

HM Queen Elizabeth is known to her family as Lilibet...do you think this is why Elizabeth became Lily?

Jude

Hi Jude,

Very well done!

He has to be the one going to New York in 1907, it all matches up with his date and place of birth, now all we need to do if find him coming back in time for the 1911.

I can't see a wife with him but I do have the image if anyone wants it?

I guess Sidney was placed in a school?

Kind regards
Amanda

Edited as I do have the image but it is not as I would have liked it to be!

well maybe not even 20% answered :-S

These are the entries on a list of photographers

Maybury Studio

Maybury, A E

Maybury, Alfred

Maybury, Alfred E

Maybury, Alfred Edward

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Well here is one question at least half-answered...from the London Gazette March 26th 1907

Notice is hereby given that the partnership heretofore subsisting between the undersigned, Alfred Edward Maybury and Edward Napier Reynolds carrying on business as Photographers at 126A Bold Street in the city of Liverpool and at Station Road Wigan and 52 Cross Street Manchester all in the county of Lancaster under the style or name of "Benson" has been dissolved by mutual consent as from the 21st March 1907. All debts due to and owing by the said late firm will be received and paid by the said Alfred Edward Maybury

Jude

Oh Amanda...the plot really thickens!!!! ;-)

I like Jude's conspiracy theory!

I think she is on to something here, I would take a guess that Alfred, who can't continue in his trade as a Photographer because Harry Clare is there, is either given or helped to find employment by his brother Percy Maybury who by 1911 was a Butchers Supplier And Outfitter, whatever that is!

I can't see the Passenger List for Percy but he is listed twice on Ellis Island and I can't find my password to see the details!

Kind regards
Amanda

Richards baptism under 'abode' on the original it says Halghton.


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Forenames:RichardSurname:PowellBaptism Year:1866Baptism Month:JanBaptism Day:21Place:HanmerCounty:FlintshireBirth Year:-Birth Month:-Birth Day:-Fathers Forenames:ThomasMothers Forenames:HarrietPage:144Record source:Flint baptisms - Transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Valerie's birth was also registered under Maybury-Clare:

Births Jun 1935 (>99%
Maybury-Clare Valerie L Powell Barton 8c 740

Richard Powell 1871
His father was a labourer from Malps, Cheshire.
Name: Richard Powell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Powell
Mother's Name: Harriett Powell
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanmer, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Halghton
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Ellesmere
Sub-registration District: Hanmer
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 20
Piece: 2787
Folio: 49
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Powell 45
Harriett Powell 45
Elizabeth Powell 75
Benjaman Powell 13
Richard Powell 5
William Powell 2

Alfred Fearon Maybury-Clare's marriage to Irene Isobel Powell

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Clare Alfred F M Powell Birkenhead 8a 1386


Birth of their daughter


Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Clare Valerie L Powell Barton 8c 740

Powell/Conolly 1911 previously posted by Reggie


Person: POWELL, Lavinia Emily Address: 22 Bishop Road Clubmoor

POWELL, Richard Head Married M 45 1866 Traveller Flintshire Hanmer VIEW
POWELL, Lavinia Emily Wife Married12 years F 37 1874 Staffordshire Dublin Ireland VIEW
POWELL, Richard Leslie Corncilla Son Single M 9 1902 Lancashire Liverpool VIEW
POWELL, Irene Isabel Daughter Single F 7 1904 Lancashire Liverpool


Baptism of daughter Irene her date of birth was 05/08/1903, address 22 Bishop Road her father was a traveller


Name: Irene Isabella Powell
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1903
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1903
Parish: Walton Breck, Holy Trinity
Father's Name: Richard Powell
Mother's Name: Levinia Emily Powell
Reference Number: 283 WBK/2/3

Yes Potty....agree totally :-) I do think the two Alfred's in the censuses are one and the same....the Lord is too much of a coincidence. I am just not sure the New York travel is him (think it's probably the other Alfred the photographer)...but of course none of it answers any of the questions we are all now champing at the bit to answer :-)

Errrmmm I might just have to take a little peek at the Conolly/Powell side of this family ;-)

Hey Jude, also why in the 1911 Lillian/Elizabeth says she has had only two children.

I did wonder if Alfred in the 1911 was a different Alfred (occupation) but his son Sidney has the middle name of Lord, as Alfred Jnr did.

TS, No I think this is going to be one of those unsolved ones, unless Margaret's friend comes up with something! Very frustrating!