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HI I just found these messages . This is my mother's side of the family tree . At the moment you are helping with my Fathers side on my other thread ..
The reason I was looking for the Morgans family Is my Great-Grandfathers birth certificate says he was born at Aber House in 1879 . His mother was a domestic servant Margaret Thomas (unmarried ) I 'was trying to find out if there was a connection with the family at Aber House or if they were related to Jane Morgan who married Edward Thomas of Sutton Farm LLandow. But there doesn't seem to be a connection .

john from astra's census
MORGANS, THOMAS STUBBS STUBBS
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 4

MORGANS, SARAH JANE STUBBS
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 571

MORGANS, ALICE ELIZABETH STUBBS
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 601


Name: Sarah J Morgan
Age: 1
Birth Year: abt 1882
Place of Origin: Glamorganshire
Immigration Date: 3 Feb 1885
Ship: Venice
Sponsor Name: Richard Stubbs ################
Deposit Date: 17 Dec 1883
Immigration Group:
Name
Thomas Morgan
Alice Morgan
Thomas S Morgan
Sarah J Morgan
William Owens

Name: Alice E Morgan
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 0
Arrival Date: 3 Feb 1885
Vessel Name: Gulf of Venice
with rest of family

Are you still interested in the Thomas family in St Brides Major?
You posted the 1871 census in your opening post.

Thomas Morgan
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Morgan
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Martha Morgan
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterstone, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: St Brides Major
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 2461
Folio: 534
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morgan 43 - Peterstone,Glamorgan
Martha Morgan 41 - Pyle, Glamorgan
Martha Morgan 13
Evan Morgan 12
Alice Morgan 9
William Morgan 7 - twin
Thomas Morgan 7 - twin
Margaret Morgan 6
John Morgan 5
Charles R Morgan 3
Jane Morgan 2
Edward William 19 - servant
Anne William 19 - servant


Thomas Morgan
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Morgan
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Coychurch, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llansamlet
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Llansamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 48
Neighbors:
Piece: 4094
Folio: 103
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Williams 59
Allice Williams 50
Thomas Morgan 52
Martha Morgan 49 - Pyle, Glamorgan
Ann Morgan 13 - servant
William Hopkin 50


Thomas Morgan
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Thomas Morgan
Death Date: 28 Feb 1873
Death Place: Glamorgan, Wales
Probate Date: 3 Nov 1873
Probate Registry: Llandaff

The Will of Thomas Morgan, late of Penucha-y-Dre in the Parish of St Brides Major in the county of Glamorgan, farmer, who died 28th February 1873 at Penucha-y-Dre was proved at Llandaff by Thomas Morgan and Edward Morgan, both of Penucha-y-Dre, farmers, the sons, two of the executors.


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Deaths Sep 1878 (>99%)
MORGAN Martha 67 Bridgend 11a 276

Well, at least you found them!!

That's good news.

Having another try at this, Found the births for the Morgan girls . They are Morgans with an S which is why I didn't find them before . But they were not born in Aber house as the poster of the family tree said . Sarah Jane was born in Pembroke Row ,Nantymoel and alice was born in Aber Cottages Tynewydd :-(

Found baptism records for two of the Morgan children in Llandyfodwg .
Both on Jan 3rd 1883 John Stubbs Morgan and Sarah Jane Morgan .
Also found a birth for Sarah Jane Morgans in Bridgend . but not sure if its the right one unless I get the certificate .

Found baptism records for two of the Morgan children in Llandyfodwg .
Both on Jan 3rd 1883 John Stubbs Morgan and Sarah Jane Morgan .
Also found a birth for Sarah Jane Morgans in Bridgend . but not sure if its the right one unless I get the certificate .

Thanks. Could be the one .I did find one in Brecknock which is nearer , but it was Morgans (with an s) Can't find the parents names unless I send for it

This one fits the birth date but is in the wrong area.

Civil Registration event: Birth


Name: MORGAN, Sarah Jane
Registration district: Abergavenny
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1882
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 59

Nothing for Alice Elizabeth with the birth date you have given

Still looking for Birth record for Sarah Jane Morgan 1st March 1882 and Alice Elizabeth Morgan 23rd May 1884
Address I have is Aber House Nantymoel ,but cannot find any official records at that address .
The other son listed as Thomas Stubbs Morgan being born at Aber House 14 Dec 1880 is listed on the census transcript as John L Morgan born in Staffordshire

That's it . Thanks again. <3

Definitely Stubbs on image

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
about Thomas Morgan

Name:Thomas Morgan

Gender:Male

Birth Year:abt 1855

Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1879

Marriage Age:24

Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England

Spouse: Alice Hubbs

Spouse Gender: Female

Spouse Marriage Age:18

Father:Thomas Morgan

Spouse's Father:Richard Hubbs

Reference Number:
DRO 35

Archive Roll:M160

Vera

Thank you.<3 Looks like you've found the right census records .the poster on the Powys record does say that Alice lost three children . The first child was not registered ,so maybe the same thing happened with John . Can't get the marriage record as I have pay-as -you -go on Ancestry and it won't let me see it . I put the names and dates in the marriage search. but it says no records found .
I have a friend who is a full member of Ancestry . I'll ask him to check . As the family was in Staffordshire in 1881 Can you find out who was in Aber House Please. It's like the film Brigodoon . A ghost house that only appears every hundred years. :)

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Just to add further confusion I think that this is Thomas Morgan and Alice Stubbs in 1881 but they are living in Staffordshire and their first son is John. Alice gives her birth place as Witton Radnorshire and that is where she is living in 1871. I can't find the family in 1891.
It seems that the information on the Powys site is user submitted and therefore prone to mistakes.

Census transcription details for: 6, Darbys Hill, Rowley Regis


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2858
Folio: 69
Page: 1
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: Rowley Regis
Parish: Rowley Regis
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Darbys Hill, Rowley Regis
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MORGAN, Thomas Head Married M 26 1855 Coachman
Penstrowed, Montgomeryshire, Wales
MORGAN, Alice Wife Married F 19 1862
Witton, Radnorshire, Wales
MORGAN, John L Son Single M 0 1881
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire


1871 census transcription details for: Cwmwhittan Cottage, Whitton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5594
Folio: 70
Page: 1
Reg. District: Presteigne
Sub District: Presteigne
Parish: Whitton
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cwmwhittan Cottage, Whitton
County: Radnorshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
STUBBS, Richard Head M 34 1837 Radnorshire
STUBBS, Sarah Wife F 30 1841 Shropshire
STUBBS, Alice Daughter F 9 1862 Radnorshire
STUBBS, John Son M 7 1864 Radnorshire
STUBBS, Richard Son M 5 1866 Radnorshire

is this Thomas and Alice's marriage??


Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)

MORGAN Thomas Birmingham 6d 152g
STUBBS Alice Birmingham 6d 152g

If it's any help Aber House may be listed as being in Ogmore Vale . It's near the boundary and they changed it .

Sorry. Sylvia . they went to Australia in 1884. .That's what I thought I put. The full tree is here . http://www.powysfhs.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Trees_L_to_M_Part_3.pdf The Aber House records are on page 6
I'm trying to trace them as My Great -grandfather's birth certificate says his mother was a domestic servant at Aber house when he was born .In 1879
and I was hoping that any servants would be on the census .
She was Margaret Thomas .

there is no sign of them at all, is there!