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The last posts by Gins and myself are census records...................and in 1841, relationships were not recorded.

And if the record posted by Gins is of a family, it could be that the 'father' was deceased.

That one also shows no fathers name... How peculiar.

I was wondering about this one



1841 England Census


Name:Hannah Downing

Age:15

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1826

Gender:Female


Civil Parish:Hales Owen
Hundred:Brimstree (Hales Owen Division)

County/Island:
Shropshire

Registration District:Stourbridge

Sub-registration District:Halesowen



Piece:908
Book:8
Folio:36
Page Number:23

Household Members:


Elizabeth Downing 40
John Downing 15
Hannah Downing 15
Joseph Downing 12
Mary Downing 9

The 'age' for Hannah on the card may be because she was, in fact, older than her husband..................

1841 census

Person: CARPENTER, Thomas Address: Bayton, Bayton

CARPENTER, William M 50 1791 Worcestershire VIEW
CARPENTER, Hannah F 52 1789 Worcestershire VIEW
CARPENTER, Willm M 13 1828 Worcestershire VIEW
CARPENTER, Thomas M 10 1831 Worcestershire

Another suggestion.................NOT born in Gloucs.

1841 census

Person: DOWNING, Hannah Address: Cottage, Kingscote

KINGSCOTE, Thomas M 42 1799 VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Harriott F 35 1806 VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Isabella F 10 1831 Gloucestershire VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Georgiana F 5 1836 Gloucestershire VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Fitzharding M 4 1837 Gloucestershire VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Louisa F 1 1840 Gloucestershire VIEW
KINGSCOTE, Caroline F 0 (2 months) 1841 Gloucestershire VIEW
BLOOMFIELD, John M 47 1794 VIEW
COWING, Jane F 33 1808 VIEW
WHITE, Thomas M 30 1811 Gloucestershire VIEW
THOMPSON, Mary F 63 1778 VIEW
BUCKWELL, Mary F 51 1790 Gloucestershire VIEW
POWELL, Harriott F 32 1809 Gloucestershire VIEW
TURNER, Hannah F 23 1818 Gloucestershire VIEW
DOWNING, Hannah F 18 1823 VIEW
SMART, Elizabeth F 23 1818 Gloucestershire VIEW
HARDING, Ann F 19 1822 Gloucestershire VIEW
CHATIN, Susanne F 19 1822 Foreign VIEW

Thank you for all your help. I have plenty to take back to my grandad anyhow and even if she is illegitimate at least we have a clue now!

Your help has been invaluable, thanks again!

Here's the link..............

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

The marriage info above is from the LDS site............

https://familysearch.org

I think you're going to struggle with Hannah................it seems that she may have been illegitimate

I'm sorry I dont know what freebdm is but I will happily do my own searches if you point me in the right direction?

You have been so immensly helpful, thank you :)

Name: Thomas Carpenter
Spouse's Name: Hannah Downing
Event Date: 02 Feb 1851
Event Place: St. Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father's Name: William Carpenter

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02301-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 992182
Reference ID: yr 1844-1852 p 187

NO recorded father's name for Hannah

IF......this is her baptism..................the 1841 census I posted is not correct


Name: Hannah Downing
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1824
Christening Place: Oldbury,Worcester, England
Father's Name: Charles Downing
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Downing
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01084-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6085650
Reference ID: p68

And is that definitely William's mother?

Have you looked at freebmd for backup?

It could be wrong info on the card if her kids never really knew her age maybe?

The only physical information I have on Hannah Carpenter is what looks like a funeral card that states

"Hannah Carpenter who departed this life December 25th 1888 aged 57 years"

1831 is way out....................censuses record birth years based on age at the time ...................which depends on when the census was taken.

She was almost certainly born in 1823

Did she actually die in 1889????????

Death

Name: CARPENTER, Hannah
Registration district: Rotherham
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1890
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:66
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 479

That gives me three different birth years for Hannah Carpenter?

Is there a way I can upload pictures to my post so I can show you the card I have?

Please remember to check your info before you hit the 'submit' button..........it only takes a moment....and can save a lot of time, and confusion.

Do you know how to look for info using freebmd?

Suggestion ONLY.............based on the POSSIBLE marriage

You need certs for verification

1841 census


Person: DOWNING, Hannah Address: Golden Hill, Wolstanton, Oldcott

DOWNING, William M 60 1781 Staffordshire VIEW
DOWNING, William M 25 1816 Staffordshire VIEW
DOWNING, Bengamin M 30 1811 Staffordshire VIEW
DOWNING, Thomas M 20 1821 Staffordshire VIEW
DOWNING, Hannah F 18 1823 Staffordshire VIEW
DOWNING, Pamela F 13 1828 Staffordshire

It was SArah Hughes Sorry, The other side married the Sarah Eastwood! (SOrry, so confusing with all the sarahs!)

1851 census

Person: CARPENTER, Hannah Address: Rounds Green

HIPKISS, David Head Married M 25 1826 Master Blacksmith No Man
Oldbury, Worcestershire VIEW
HIPKISS, Caroline Wife Married F 27 1824
Brades, Staffordshire VIEW
HIPKISS, Joseph Son M 2 1849
Oldbury, Worcestershire VIEW
HIPKISS, Mary Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Oldbury, Worcestershire VIEW
CARPENTER, Thomas Lodger Married M 22 1829 Coal Miner
Bayton, Worcestershire VIEW
CARPENTER, Hannah Lodger Married F 27 1824
Rowley, Staffordshire