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DANIEL
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29 Oct 2013 15:13 |
I'm trying to find out more information on my great grandad a James Smith born 1820-1902 in Rettendon,Essex and also of East Hanningfield. I'm stuck as far as that would love to find out some more information if anyone can help? Thanks
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29 Oct 2013 15:17 |
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1851 census transcription details for: Hawk Inn, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1775 Folio: 38 Page: 4 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 2B Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hawk Inn, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MANN, Edward Head Married M 45 1806 Innkeeper Farmer 20 Acres Employing One Man Gt Burstead, Essex MANN, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1808 Inn Keepers Wife Gt Burstead, Essex MANN, Edward Son M 8 1843 Scholar Rettendon, Essex MANN, Henry Son M 6 1845 Scholar Rettendon, Essex MANN, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar Rettendon, Essex TIBBALL, Susanna Visitor Married F 50 1801 Nurse Widford, Essex LILLY, Sophia Servant Unmarried F 24 1827 House Servant Gt Baddow, Essex LUCKING, William Servant Unmarried M 23 1828 Ostler Gt Waltham, Essex >>SMITH, James Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Poulterer Rettendon, Essex HAWKES, George Lodger Unmarried M 40 1811 Ag Labr Dunmow, Essex RAVEN, Edward Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Ag Lab East Mersey, Essex PORTWAY, George Lodger Unmarried M 19 1832 Ag Lab Gt Waltham, Essex
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 15:17 |
Is this him?
What do you want to know about him?
1851 England Census about James Smith Name: James Smith Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Lodger Gender: M (Male) Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England Civil Parish: Rettendon County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
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Disability: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 16 Piece: 1775 Folio: 38 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Edward Mann 45 Sarah Mann 43 Edward Mann 8 Henry Mann 6 Elizabeth Mann 5 Susanna Tibball 50 Sophia Lilly 24 William Lucking 23 James Smith 30 George Hawkes 40 Edward Raven 30 George Portway 19
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29 Oct 2013 15:18 |
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1841 England Census about James Smith Name: James Smith Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Essex, England Civil Parish: Rettendon Hundred: Chelmsford County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 326 Book: 3 Folio: 8 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Smith 45 Elizabeth Smith 40 Daniel Smith 25 James Smith 20 Truth Smith 14 Faith Smith 11 David Smith 8 Elizabeth Smith 6 Ellin Smith 4 George Smith 1
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29 Oct 2013 15:19 |
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1861 England Census about James Smith Name: James Smith Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England Civil Parish: Rettendon Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 2c Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 78 Piece: 1078 Folio: 17 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Edward Mann 55 Sarah Mann 53 Emma Mann 18 Elizabeth G Mann 15 Helen L Mann 23 James Smith 38 Mahala Nash 15 George Hawks 48
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 15:19 |
1841 census transcription details for: Wick House, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 326 Book/Folio: 8 Page: 11 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Wick House, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SMITH, William M 45 1796 Essex SMITH, Elizabeth F 40 1801 Essex SMITH, Daniel M 25 1816 Essex SMITH, James M 20 1821 Essex SMITH, Truth F 14 1827 Essex SMITH, Faith F 11 1830 Essex SMITH, David M 8 1833 Essex SMITH, Elizabeth F 6 1835 Essex SMITH, Ellin F 4 1837 Essex SMITH, George M 1 1840 Essex
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 15:19 |
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1871 England Census about James Smith Name: James Smith Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Smith Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith Gender: Male Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England Civil Parish: Rettendon Ecclesiastical parish: Woodham Ferrers County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Schedule Number: 42 Piece: 1660 Folio: 32 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age William Smith 83 Elizabeth Smith 76 James Smith 48 - unmarried, horse dealer
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 15:22 |
Possibly this one.
1901 census transcription details for: Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon, Village Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1669 Folio: 27 Page: 10 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: All Saints City/Municipal Borough: Address: Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon, Village County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, James Head Married M 82 1819 Farmer Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Jascan Wife Married F 52 1849 Stock, Essex SMITH, Harry Son Married M 31 1870 Farmer's Son Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Florence Daughter-In-Law Married F 26 1875 Wickam St Pauls, Suffolk SMITH, George Son Single M 16 1885 Farmer's Son E Hanningfield, Essex
1891 census transcription details for: Great Common, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 1384 Folio: 28 Page: 10 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: Rettendon City/Municipal Borough: Address: Great Common, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, James Head Married M 70 1821 Farmer And Dealer Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 40 1851 South Hanningfield, Essex SMITH, Harry Son Single M 20 1871 Farmer & Dealers Son Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Nellie Daughter Single F 15 1876 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar East Hanningfield, Essex
1881 census transcription details for: ?, East Hanningfield Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1760 Folio: 60 Page: 1 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: East Hanningfield Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: ?, East Hanningfield County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, James Head Married M 40 1841 Dealer Gen Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 33 1848 Sth Hanningfield, Essex SMITH, Harry Son Single M 11 1870 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, James Son Single M 8 1873 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Helen Daughter Single F 5 1876 Rettendon, Essex COOPER, Samuel Servant Single M 17 1864 Rettendon, Essex
Does look like 40 years old on the census. Shaved a good few years off his age??
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 15:23 |
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1891 England Census about James Smith Name: James Smith Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Susan Smith Gender: Male Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England Civil Parish: Rettendon Ecclesiastical parish: Rettendon Town: Rettendon County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1384 Folio: 28 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age James Smith 70 Susan Smith 40 Harry Smith 20 Nellie Smith 15 George Smith 5
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 15:29 |
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Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) BARNARD Susan Chelmsford 4a 344 Smith James Chelmsford 4a 344
??? Births Dec 1851 (>99%) Barnard Susan Chelmsford 12 50
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 15:32 |
Birth of son Harry:
Births Jun 1870 (>99%) Barnard Harry Smith Chelmsford 4a 192
Looks like James & Susan were living together before marriage.
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2013 15:35 |
Hi Daniel and welcome to the boards.
Who did your Grt Grandfather marry and what were the names of their children.
Which child of your Grt Grandparents was your Grandparent?
Perhaps we can then work backwards without guessing.
Prickles.
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 15:38 |
1871 census transcription details for: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1660 Folio: 31 Page: 8 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 3B Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BARNARD, John Head M 60 1811 Kent BARNARD, Lucy Wife F 59 1812 Essex BARNARD, Elizabeth Daughter F 23 1848 Essex >>BARNARD, Susan Daughter F 20 1851 Essex BARNARD, Robert H Son M 17 1854 Essex BARNARD, Albert Son M 15 1856 Essex >>BARNARD, Harry S Daughter F 0 1871 he is 11 months Essex BARNARD, Alice Daughter F 0 1871 she is 3 months Surrey
Harry and Alice are both 'granddaughters.'
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DANIEL
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29 Oct 2013 18:37 |
Wow!! Thank you everyone thats a lot of information very quickly. My Dad is Reg Smith born 1941 in Rettendon at Mill Hill Farm, His Dad was Harry Smith born 1870 married to Florence, his Dad was James Smith born I think 1820 died 1902. I'm told that they was horse dealers and farmers! Was trying to find out where James might have lived and who his parents were, where they lived and from? I know there is another Smith Family in Rettendon making things compilcated!
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2013 20:13 |
Hi Daniel So this would be Harry in the 1911 census.........
Household transcription 1911 census Person: SMITH, Harry Address: Mill Hill Farm Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex
SMITH, Harry Head Married M 40 1871 Farmer And Hay Dealer Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Florence Jane Wife Married10 years F 35 1876 Wickham St Pauls Suffolk VIEW SMITH, Harry James Son M 7 1904 School Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Archibald Thomas Son M 6 1905 School Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Edward Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Rettendon Essex VIEW FISHER, Jane Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Petsea Essex VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 10039 Reference: RG14PN10039 RG78PN528 RD194 SD1 ED8 SN62 Registration District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Rettendon Address: Mill Hill Farm Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex County: Essex (3 children born and living)
I think it would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of James and Susan's marriage certificate, in the hope that it will give you information regarding James's Father.
Smith is such a common name.........i wouldn't want you to follow the wrong family.
Prickles.
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 20:34 |
His family.
1851 census transcription details for: Hawk Inn, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1775 Folio: 39 Page: 7 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 2B Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hawk Inn, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, William Head Married M 63 1788 Ag Lab Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1795 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Daniel Son Unmarried M 31 1820 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, David Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Journeyman Painter Rettendon, Essex SMITH, George Son M 12 1839 Ag Lab Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Ellen Daughter F 15 1836 At Home Rettendon, Essex
1861 census transcription details for: ..., Hoe Lane, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 1078 Folio: 29 Page: 8 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: 1 Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 3 M Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: ..., Hoe Lane, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, William Head Married M 73 1788 Labourer Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 60 1801 Rettendon, Essex SMITH, Henry Grandson M 14 1847 Shoemaker Stambridge, Essex
1871 census transcription details for: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1660 Folio: 32 Page: 9 Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Parish: Rettendon Enum. District: 3B Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon County: Essex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SMITH, William Head M 83 1788 Essex SMITH, Elizabeth Wife F 76 1795 Essex SMITH, James Son M 48 1823 Essex
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PricklyHolly
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29 Oct 2013 20:37 |
Brother George...
Household transcription 1911 census Person: SMITH, George Address: Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex
SMITH, George Head Married M 26 1885 Farm Labourer East Hanningfield Essex VIEW SMITH, Lily Wife Married7 years F 27 1884 Romford Essex VIEW SMITH, George Son M 7 1904 School Romford Essex VIEW SMITH, Jessie Daughter F 6 1905 School Romford Essex VIEW SMITH, Percy Son M 5 1906 School Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Edward Son M 4 1907 Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Thomas Son M 4 1907 Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Lily Daughter F 2 1909 Rettendon Essex VIEW SMITH, Helen Daughter F 1 1910 Rettendon Essex VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 10039 Reference: RG14PN10039 RG78PN528 RD194 SD1 ED8 SN33 Registration District: Chelmsford Sub District: Ingatestone Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Rettendon Address: Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex County: Essex (7 children born and living)
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30 Oct 2013 07:25 |
Hi
Your Great Grandfather lest a Will
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:James Smith <<Of Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon
Probate Date:5 Apr 1902
Death Date:21 Jan 1902
Death Place:Essex, England
Registry:London, England Probate to: Harry Smith Barnard, farmer, effects: £1112 0s 7d
You can apply for a copy of the Will, cost £6.00 using the link below
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate
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PricklyHolly
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30 Oct 2013 09:00 |
..1861 England Census about John Barnard Name: John Barnard Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lucy Barnard Gender: Male Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: South Hanningfield County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 7b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 43 Piece: 1078 Folio: 84 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Barnard 52 (Blacksmith..Master) Lucy Barnard 49 Martha Barnard 21 Lucy Barnard 11 Susan Barnard 9 Robt Hyde Barnard 7 Albert Barnard 5 George Godfrey 20 (Lodger) 1851 England Census about John Barnard Name: John Barnard Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Inez Barnard Gender: M (Male) Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: South Hanningfield County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 20 Piece: 1775 Folio: 100 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age John Barnard 40 (Blacksmith) Inez Barnard 39 >>>>Lucy on the image M Ann Barnard 19 Harriet Barnard 17 Charles Barnard 13 Martha Barnard 11 John Barnard 7 Catharine Barnard 6 Elizabeth Barnard 3 Inez Barnard 1 >>>>Lucy on the image Mathew Winn 23 (Journeyman) Charles Dawson 16 (Apprentice)
..1841 England Census about John Barnard Name: John Barnard Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Where born: Essex, England [Kent, England] Civil Parish: Stock Hundred: Chelmsford County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Chelmsford Sub-registration District: Ingatestone Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 326 Book: 8 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age John Inglish 45 George Inglish 17 Mary Inglish 14 Elza Inglish 10 Robert Inglish 8 Joseph Inglish 4
Looking at the image....The Inglish family are seperate from the Barnard's.
John Barnard 30 (Blacksmith) Lucy Barnard 25 Mary Barnard 9 Harriot Barnard 7 Charles Barnard 3 Martha Barnard 1
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30 Oct 2013 09:29 |
Found a baptism for Martha...
Martha Barnard, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: Martha Barnard Gender: Female Christening Date: 31 May 1840 Christening Place: Stock, Essex, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Barnard Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Lucy
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