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DANIEL

DANIEL Report 29 Oct 2013 15:13

I'm trying to find out more information on my great grandad a James Smith born 1820-1902 in Rettendon,Essex and also of East Hanningfield. I'm stuck as far as that would love to find out some more information if anyone can help?
Thanks

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2013 15:17

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1851 census transcription details for: Hawk Inn, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1775
Folio: 38
Page: 4
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 2B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hawk Inn, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MANN, Edward Head Married M 45 1806 Innkeeper Farmer 20 Acres Employing One Man
Gt Burstead, Essex
MANN, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1808 Inn Keepers Wife
Gt Burstead, Essex
MANN, Edward Son M 8 1843 Scholar
Rettendon, Essex
MANN, Henry Son M 6 1845 Scholar
Rettendon, Essex
MANN, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Rettendon, Essex
TIBBALL, Susanna Visitor Married F 50 1801 Nurse
Widford, Essex
LILLY, Sophia Servant Unmarried F 24 1827 House Servant
Gt Baddow, Essex
LUCKING, William Servant Unmarried M 23 1828 Ostler
Gt Waltham, Essex
>>SMITH, James Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Poulterer
Rettendon, Essex
HAWKES, George Lodger Unmarried M 40 1811 Ag Labr
Dunmow, Essex
RAVEN, Edward Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Ag Lab
East Mersey, Essex
PORTWAY, George Lodger Unmarried M 19 1832 Ag Lab
Gt Waltham, Essex

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:17

Is this him?

What do you want to know about him?


1851 England Census about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Rettendon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 16
Piece: 1775
Folio: 38
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Mann 45
Sarah Mann 43
Edward Mann 8
Henry Mann 6
Elizabeth Mann 5
Susanna Tibball 50
Sophia Lilly 24
William Lucking 23
James Smith 30
George Hawkes 40
Edward Raven 30
George Portway 19

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:18

???


1841 England Census about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Rettendon
Hundred: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 326
Book: 3
Folio: 8
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 45
Elizabeth Smith 40
Daniel Smith 25
James Smith 20
Truth Smith 14
Faith Smith 11
David Smith 8
Elizabeth Smith 6
Ellin Smith 4
George Smith 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:19

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1861 England Census about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Rettendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 78
Piece: 1078
Folio: 17
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Mann 55
Sarah Mann 53
Emma Mann 18
Elizabeth G Mann 15
Helen L Mann 23
James Smith 38
Mahala Nash 15
George Hawks 48

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2013 15:19


1841 census transcription details for: Wick House, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 326
Book/Folio: 8
Page: 11
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Wick House, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SMITH, William M 45 1796 Essex
SMITH, Elizabeth F 40 1801 Essex
SMITH, Daniel M 25 1816 Essex
SMITH, James M 20 1821 Essex
SMITH, Truth F 14 1827 Essex
SMITH, Faith F 11 1830 Essex
SMITH, David M 8 1833 Essex
SMITH, Elizabeth F 6 1835 Essex
SMITH, Ellin F 4 1837 Essex
SMITH, George M 1 1840 Essex

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:19

???


1871 England Census about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Smith
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Rettendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodham Ferrers
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 42
Piece: 1660
Folio: 32
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 83
Elizabeth Smith 76
James Smith 48 - unmarried, horse dealer

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2013 15:22

Possibly this one.


1901 census transcription details for: Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon, Village
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1669
Folio: 27
Page: 10
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon, Village
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, James Head Married M 82 1819 Farmer
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Jascan Wife Married F 52 1849
Stock, Essex
SMITH, Harry Son Married M 31 1870 Farmer's Son
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Florence Daughter-In-Law Married F 26 1875
Wickam St Pauls, Suffolk
SMITH, George Son Single M 16 1885 Farmer's Son
E Hanningfield, Essex




1891 census transcription details for: Great Common, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1384
Folio: 28
Page: 10
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Rettendon
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Great Common, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, James Head Married M 70 1821 Farmer And Dealer
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 40 1851
South Hanningfield, Essex
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 20 1871 Farmer & Dealers Son
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Nellie Daughter Single F 15 1876
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar
East Hanningfield, Essex




1881 census transcription details for: ?, East Hanningfield
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1760
Folio: 60
Page: 1
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: East Hanningfield
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: ?, East Hanningfield
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, James Head Married M 40 1841 Dealer Gen
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 33 1848
Sth Hanningfield, Essex
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 11 1870
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, James Son Single M 8 1873
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Helen Daughter Single F 5 1876
Rettendon, Essex
COOPER, Samuel Servant Single M 17 1864
Rettendon, Essex


Does look like 40 years old on the census. Shaved a good few years off his age??

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:23

???


1891 England Census about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Rettendon, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Rettendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Rettendon
Town: Rettendon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1384
Folio: 28
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 70
Susan Smith 40
Harry Smith 20
Nellie Smith 15
George Smith 5

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:29

???

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
BARNARD Susan Chelmsford 4a 344
Smith James Chelmsford 4a 344

???
Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
Barnard Susan Chelmsford 12 50

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Oct 2013 15:32

Birth of son Harry:

Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
Barnard Harry Smith Chelmsford 4a 192

Looks like James & Susan were living together before marriage.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2013 15:35

Hi Daniel and welcome to the boards.

Who did your Grt Grandfather marry and what were the names of their children.

Which child of your Grt Grandparents was your Grandparent?

Perhaps we can then work backwards without guessing.

Prickles.

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2013 15:38


1871 census transcription details for: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1660
Folio: 31
Page: 8
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 3B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BARNARD, John Head M 60 1811 Kent
BARNARD, Lucy Wife F 59 1812 Essex
BARNARD, Elizabeth Daughter F 23 1848 Essex
>>BARNARD, Susan Daughter F 20 1851 Essex
BARNARD, Robert H Son M 17 1854 Essex
BARNARD, Albert Son M 15 1856 Essex
>>BARNARD, Harry S Daughter F 0 1871 he is 11 months Essex
BARNARD, Alice Daughter F 0 1871 she is 3 months Surrey


Harry and Alice are both 'granddaughters.'

DANIEL

DANIEL Report 29 Oct 2013 18:37

Wow!! Thank you everyone thats a lot of information very quickly.
My Dad is Reg Smith born 1941 in Rettendon at Mill Hill Farm, His Dad was Harry Smith born 1870 married to Florence, his Dad was James Smith born I think 1820 died 1902. I'm told that they was horse dealers and farmers! Was trying to find out where James might have lived and who his parents were, where they lived and from? I know there is another Smith Family in Rettendon making things compilcated!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2013 20:13

Hi Daniel

So this would be Harry in the 1911 census.........

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: SMITH, Harry
Address: Mill Hill Farm Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex

SMITH, Harry Head Married M 40 1871 Farmer And Hay Dealer Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Florence Jane Wife Married10 years F 35 1876 Wickham St Pauls Suffolk VIEW
SMITH, Harry James Son M 7 1904 School Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Archibald Thomas Son M 6 1905 School Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Edward Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Rettendon Essex VIEW
FISHER, Jane Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Petsea Essex VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 10039
Reference: RG14PN10039 RG78PN528 RD194 SD1 ED8 SN62
Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Rettendon
Address: Mill Hill Farm Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex
County: Essex
(3 children born and living)

I think it would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of James and Susan's marriage certificate, in the hope that it will give you information regarding James's Father.

Smith is such a common name.........i wouldn't want you to follow the wrong family.

Prickles.

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2013 20:34

His family.


1851 census transcription details for: Hawk Inn, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1775
Folio: 39
Page: 7
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 2B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hawk Inn, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, William Head Married M 63 1788 Ag Lab
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1795
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Daniel Son Unmarried M 31 1820
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, David Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Journeyman Painter
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, George Son M 12 1839 Ag Lab
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Ellen Daughter F 15 1836 At Home
Rettendon, Essex


1861 census transcription details for: ..., Hoe Lane, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1078
Folio: 29
Page: 8
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: 1 Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 3 M
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: ..., Hoe Lane, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, William Head Married M 73 1788 Labourer
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 60 1801
Rettendon, Essex
SMITH, Henry Grandson M 14 1847 Shoemaker
Stambridge, Essex


1871 census transcription details for: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1660
Folio: 32
Page: 9
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Parish: Rettendon
Enum. District: 3B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: By Chelmsford Road, Rettendon
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SMITH, William Head M 83 1788 Essex
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife F 76 1795 Essex
SMITH, James Son M 48 1823 Essex

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Oct 2013 20:37

Brother George...

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: SMITH, George
Address: Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex

SMITH, George Head Married M 26 1885 Farm Labourer East Hanningfield Essex VIEW
SMITH, Lily Wife Married7 years F 27 1884 Romford Essex VIEW
SMITH, George Son M 7 1904 School Romford Essex VIEW
SMITH, Jessie Daughter F 6 1905 School Romford Essex VIEW
SMITH, Percy Son M 5 1906 School Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Edward Son M 4 1907 Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Thomas Son M 4 1907 Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Lily Daughter F 2 1909 Rettendon Essex VIEW
SMITH, Helen Daughter F 1 1910 Rettendon Essex VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 10039
Reference: RG14PN10039 RG78PN528 RD194 SD1 ED8 SN33
Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub District: Ingatestone
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Rettendon
Address: Rettendon Common Chelmsford Essex
County: Essex
(7 children born and living)

Gee

Gee Report 30 Oct 2013 07:25

Hi

Your Great Grandfather lest a Will


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:James Smith <<Of Mill Hill Farm, Rettendon

Probate Date:5 Apr 1902

Death Date:21 Jan 1902

Death Place:Essex, England

Registry:London, England

Probate to: Harry Smith Barnard, farmer, effects: £1112 0s 7d


You can apply for a copy of the Will, cost £6.00 using the link below


http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Oct 2013 09:00


..1861 England Census
about John Barnard Name: John Barnard
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Barnard
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: South Hanningfield
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 43
Piece: 1078
Folio: 84
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Barnard 52 (Blacksmith..Master)
Lucy Barnard 49
Martha Barnard 21
Lucy Barnard 11
Susan Barnard 9
Robt Hyde Barnard 7
Albert Barnard 5
George Godfrey 20 (Lodger)



1851 England Census
about John Barnard Name: John Barnard
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Inez Barnard
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: South Hanningfield
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 20
Piece: 1775
Folio: 100
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
John Barnard 40 (Blacksmith)
Inez Barnard 39 >>>>Lucy on the image
M Ann Barnard 19
Harriet Barnard 17
Charles Barnard 13
Martha Barnard 11
John Barnard 7
Catharine Barnard 6
Elizabeth Barnard 3
Inez Barnard 1 >>>>Lucy on the image
Mathew Winn 23 (Journeyman)
Charles Dawson 16 (Apprentice)



..1841 England Census
about John Barnard Name: John Barnard
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
[Kent, England]

Civil Parish: Stock
Hundred: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Chelmsford
Sub-registration District: Ingatestone
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 326
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
John Inglish 45
George Inglish 17
Mary Inglish 14
Elza Inglish 10
Robert Inglish 8
Joseph Inglish 4

Looking at the image....The Inglish family are seperate from the Barnard's.

John Barnard 30 (Blacksmith)
Lucy Barnard 25
Mary Barnard 9
Harriot Barnard 7
Charles Barnard 3
Martha Barnard 1

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Oct 2013 09:29

Found a baptism for Martha...

Martha Barnard, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: Martha Barnard
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 May 1840
Christening Place: Stock, Essex, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Barnard
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Lucy