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I brought some credits on SP but i cannot find the death of either Robert or Catherine! Have spent all this time looking, have also looked on Ancestry and Find My Past
Its so frustrating! :-|

Also i have 2 pieces of information that dont match :-S
As above which rootgatherer kindly posted it says Robert was born in 1874 however i have a copy of a 1911 census and it says he was born in 1877.
Is it common for them to get the information wrong or am i back to square one?

If you search on Scotlandspeople for the deaths of Robert Hunter and his wife Catherine, you may find that Isa(bella) was the informant on one of the deaths. If she married you may find out her married surname that way. Female deaths in Scotland are indexed using both maiden and married surnames so can be searched using both surnames. You also have an approximate date of birth for Isa(bella) and this would help to reduce the number of results.

Remember too that there may have been more children born to Robert and Catherine after 1911.

Good luck.

Wow thank you so much every one for your help!
I will pass all of the above on to my nan.
So the mystery still seems to be Isa, as there is only 1 record above.
(Isa Hunter sister of Robert b.1903)

So confusing when everyone has the same name! I really appreciate all of your help and to the people that used your credits :-D

For reference about Scottish Naming Patterns. http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm



First son is named for the Father's Father.
Second son is named for the Mother's Father.
Third son is named for the Father's Father's Father.
Fourth son is named for the Mother's Mother's Father.
Fifth son is named for the Father's Mother's Father.
Sixth son is named for the Mother's Father's Father.
Seventh through Tenth sons are named for the Father's Great-Grandfathers.
Tenth through Fourteenth sons for the Mother's Great-Grandfathers.

First daughter is named for the Mother's Mother.
Second daughter is named for the Father's Mother.
Third daughter is named for the Mother's Father's Mother.
Fourth daughter is named for the Father's Father's Mother.
Fifth daughter is named for the Mother's Mother's Mother.
Sixth daughter is named for the Father's Mother's Mother.
Seventh through tenth daughters are named for the Mother's Great-Grandmothers.
Tenth through fourteenth daughters for the Father's Great-Grandmothers.

NOTES:

In some cases you will find that the order is reversed with the first and second children, i.e. the first-born son being named after the mother's father and the second-born son after the father's father. If this is the case then the daughters are also usually reversed.

You will also find instances where a child is named 'out of pattern', after an aunt or uncle who has died, or after an admired other relative or friend of the parent.

If a child dies in infancy, his or her name is often given to a subsequent child - a natural consequence of the high birth rate and infant mortality rates of past times.

These are only general guidelines and were certainly not always followed.

Well done rootgatherer. I think this is Catherine in 1891.


1891 census transcription details for: Main Street, Dunfermline
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 424
Folio: 26
Page: 36
Reg. District: Dunfermline
Sub District:
Parish: Dunfermline
Enum. District: 26
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Main Street, Dunfermline
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ARNOT, John Head Married M 37 1854 Coal Miner
Tranent, East Lothian
ARNOT, Isabella Wife Married F 35 1856
Lumphannans, Fife
ARNOT, Jane Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Crossgates, Fife
>>ARNOT, Catherine Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Crossgates, Fife
ARNOT, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Crossgates, Fife
ARNOT, Rachel Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Crossgates, Fife
ARNOT, Isabella Daughter F 3 1888
Crossgates, Fife
ARNOT, Andrew Son M 0 (8 MO) 1891
Crossgates, Fife


1881 census transcription details for: Main Street, Dunfermline
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 424
Folio: 21
Page: 37
Reg. District: Dunfermline
Sub District:
Parish: Dunfermline
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Main Street, Dunfermline
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ARNOT, John Head Married M 25 1856 Coal Miner
Tranent, East Lothian
ARNOT, Isa J Wife Married F 24 1857
Ballingry, Fifeshire
ARNOT, Jean J Daughter F 0 1881
Dunfermilne, Fifeshire


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1871 census transcription details for: Kelty, Beath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 410
Folio: 1
Page: 22
Reg. District: Beath
Sub District:
Parish: Beath
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Kelty, Beath
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ARNOT, John Head Married M 36 1835 Coal Miner Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Catharine W Wife Married F 38 1833 Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
>>ARNOT, John Son M 17 1854 Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
ARNOT, Janet Daughter F 10 1861 Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Catharine Daughter F 8 1863 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Alexander Son M 4 1867 Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Isabella Daughter F 2 1869 Beath, Fife
ARNOT, Mary Daughter F 6 1865 Dunfermline, Fife




1861 census transcription details for: Baldridgeburn, Dunfermline
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 424
Folio: 1
Page: 27
Reg. District: Dunfermline
Sub District:
Parish: Dunfermline
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Baldridgeburn, Dunfermline
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ARNOT, John Head Married M 25 1836 Coal Miner
Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Catherine Wife Married F 26 1835
Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
ARNOT, John Son M 8 1853
Dunfermline, Fife
ARNOT, Janet Daughter F 2 1859
Dunfermline, Fife

To summerise

Robert Hunter b. abt. 1903 son of Robert Hunter b. abt. 1874 and Catherine Arnott b. abt. 1882

Robert Hunter b. abt. 1874 son of Robert Hunter b. abt 1851 Fife and Marion Watson b. abt 1851 Fife

Name: Robert Hunter
Spouse's Name: Marion Watson
Event Date: 19 May 1871
Event Place: Beath,Fife,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11410-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:


You would have to purchase the marriage certificate for Robert Hunter and Catherine Arnott to find Catherine's parents. In 1901 she is not with her parents but working as a servant. Not seeing her in 1891.


1851

Name: Marion Watson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Watson
Mother's Name: Violet Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdour, fifeshire
Registration number: 401
Registration District: Aberdour
Civil Parish: Aberdour
County: Fife
Address: House - Row
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household Schedule Number: 73
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_53
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watson 43
Violet Watson 42
John Watson 17
William Watson 15
Margaret Watson 13
James Watson 12
Marion Watson 9
Alexander Watson 5
Henry Watson 3
Isabella Watson 4 Mo


1871

Name: Marion Watson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Watson
Mother's Name: Violet Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdour, Fife
Registration number: 401
Registration District: Aberdour
Civil Parish: Aberdour
County: Fife
Address: Dombristle Collway
Occupation: Out Worker At Coalpit
ED: 4
Household Schedule Number: 45
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_69
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watson 53 b. Inveresk, East Lothian
Violet Watson 52 b. Inveresk, East Lothian
Margaret Watson 23
James Watson 22
Marion Watson 19
Alexander Watson 15
Henry Watson 13
Isabella Watson 10
Robert Watson 6


Name: William Watson
Spouse's Name: Voilet Archibald
Event Date: 24 May 1839
Event Place: Inveresk With Musselburgh,Midlothian,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M19502-9
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1067758, 1067759
Reference ID:


Name: William Watson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Jan 1817
Christening Place: , INVERESK WITH MUSSELBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 31 Dec 1816
Father's Name: John Watson
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19502-3
System Origin: Scotland-VR
GS Film number: 1067756
Reference ID: 2:18Q7ZGP

Hi thankyou for your reply, yes i believe that the chapel street connection is correct, i have since found LOADS of different information with lots of Roberts and various other people that i am trying to get my head around :-(

Used some credits for Scotlandspeople

1911 - Alexander Street, Cowdenbeath

Robert Hunter, head, 34, Mar., Miner, b. Beath
Catherine Hunter, wife, 29, Mar. 8 years 2 children, b. Dunfermline
Rob. Hunter, son, 7, scholar, b. Beath
Isa. Hunter, daughter, b. Beath.

1903 HUNTER ROBERT ARNOTT CATHERINE W BEATH (FIFE) /FIFE 410/00 0013


If you buy credits for Scotlandspeople (as already has been suggested)) you will be able to view the above marriage and also search for Robert's birth. Shouldn't be too difficult to find as you have his age in 1911 and his place of birth.

So do you think that from the information you have that Robert b. 1874 and in 1901 was a Coal miner living at 60 Chapel Street, Beath is the father of your Robert please? That would make the Robert (b. 1851) and his wife Marion your Robert's grandparents.

I have Hilda and Roberts marriage certificate and in 1936 he was 33 years old, an engineer and i can confirm that they did live at 1 Park Cottages and his father was Robert Hunter and he was a Coal Miner

You need to get the marriage cert..........find out the man's age at the time.

If you think he may have been a casualty in WW2...............look for info at.........

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx

You will have to spend money on either the marriage cert or SP credits to find factual info.

The cert will cost £9.25 - SP credits are £7.00 for 30

This is the residents at that address in 1901.

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1901 Census transcription details for: 60, Chapel Street, Beath

National Archive Reference:
RG number RG13
Piece: 410
Folio: 8
Page: 21
Reg. District: Beath
Sub District:
Parish: Beath
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 60, Chapel Street, Beath
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HUNTER, Marion Head Married F 50 1851
Aberdour, Fife
HUNTER, Wm Son Single M 25 1876 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Robt Son Single M 23 1878 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, John Son Single M 20 1881 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Marion Daughter Single F 18 1883
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Simpson Son Single M 15 1886 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
DORD, Robt Grandson Single M 7 1894 Scholar
Cowdenbeath, Fife
CORNOCHIE, James Boarder Single M 35 1866 Watchmaker
Falkirk, Stirling


Same family.


1891 census transcription details for: High Street, Beath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 410
Folio: 5
Page: 7
Reg. District: Beath
Sub District:
Parish: Beath
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Beath
County: Fife
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HUNTER, Robert Head Married M 40 1851 Coal Miner
Oakley, Fife
HUNTER, Marion Wife Married F 40 1851
Donibristle, Fife
HUNTER, Violet Daughter Unmarried F 19 1872 Pithead Worker
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Robert Son Unmarried M 17 1874 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, William Son Unmarried M 15 1876 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Robert Son Unmarried M 13 1878 Coal Miner
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Christina Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, John Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Marion Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Cowdenbeath, Fife
HUNTER, Simpson Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Cowdenbeath, Fife



child:Violet Hunter

NameViolet Hunter
GenderFemale
Christening Date
Christening Place
Birth Date06 Jun 1872
BirthplaceBEATH,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's NameRobert Hunter
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's NameMarion Watson

Thank you so much for all of the information you have given me I really appreciate it. I will have a word with my nan and see if she remembers anything else from what you have said.
I'm thinking it is possible that he may have gone away and been killed in action possibly as I cannot find any death register for him on the normal area search.

You are right about Charles he was her brother.
The address I found for Robert Hunter at birth was 60 chapel street, Cowdenbeath

No death for Robert Hunter in Wiltshire between 1939 and 1962

Not the same house number as the death record, so don't take this as being 'right' without checking thoroughly. It's probably sheer coincidence

1901 census

Person: HUNTER, John Address: 6, Neilston Road, Paisley

HUNTER, John Head Married M 35 1866 Cloth Presser
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1869
Barrhead, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1890 Scholar
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, Robert Son M 9 1892 Scholar
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, Jeanie Daughter F 7 1894 Scholar
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, Helen Daughter F 4 1897
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A
HUNTER, James Son M 2 1899
Paisley, Renfrewshire
N/A

To find info about births, you will need to buy credits on Scotlands people website.

You can also access the 1911 Scotland census on that site.

The person whose death during WW2 is recorded above will be on the 1911 census- with her family, one hopes

Hilda re-married in 1962.........but you probably know that

Death

Name: BAYLEY, Hilda Ellen L
Registration district: Salisbury
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1988
Month of registration: January
Date of Birth:12 January 1911
Volume no: 23
Page no: 2171
Reg no: 188

Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)

KEARTON Charles William Reading 2c 707
Phillips Gertrude Edith Reading 2c 707

Another child?

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
KEARTON Charles H Phillips Hartley Wintney 2c 370a

In case you don't have this...................

1911 census


Person: KEARTON, Hilda Helen Address: 1 Park Cottages Farnborough Road Farnborough Hampshire

KEARTON, Charles Head Married M 31 1880 Soldier 2nd Corporal Yorks Hull VIEW
KEARTON, Gertrude Wife Married F 27 1884 Farampton Lincs VIEW
KEARTON, Hilda Helen Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Berks Reading

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Kearton Hilda E L Reading 2c 342

I have also found 2 records exactly the same with Roberts birth year (1903 i believe) and where he lived however each one has a different name for his father.
One is saying his father is Robert, the other is saying his father is John?

Any suggestions on this?
I appreciate your time :-)