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Samantha
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12 Oct 2013 11:59 |
Thank you so much for all of the information you have given me I really appreciate it. I will have a word with my nan and see if she remembers anything else from what you have said. I'm thinking it is possible that he may have gone away and been killed in action possibly as I cannot find any death register for him on the normal area search.
You are right about Charles he was her brother. The address I found for Robert Hunter at birth was 60 chapel street, Cowdenbeath
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alviegal
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12 Oct 2013 20:19 |
This is the residents at that address in 1901.
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1901 Census transcription details for: 60, Chapel Street, Beath
National Archive Reference: RG number RG13 Piece: 410 Folio: 8 Page: 21 Reg. District: Beath Sub District: Parish: Beath Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 60, Chapel Street, Beath County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HUNTER, Marion Head Married F 50 1851 Aberdour, Fife HUNTER, Wm Son Single M 25 1876 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Robt Son Single M 23 1878 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, John Son Single M 20 1881 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Marion Daughter Single F 18 1883 Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Simpson Son Single M 15 1886 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife DORD, Robt Grandson Single M 7 1894 Scholar Cowdenbeath, Fife CORNOCHIE, James Boarder Single M 35 1866 Watchmaker Falkirk, Stirling
Same family.
1891 census transcription details for: High Street, Beath Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 410 Folio: 5 Page: 7 Reg. District: Beath Sub District: Parish: Beath Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: High Street, Beath County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HUNTER, Robert Head Married M 40 1851 Coal Miner Oakley, Fife HUNTER, Marion Wife Married F 40 1851 Donibristle, Fife HUNTER, Violet Daughter Unmarried F 19 1872 Pithead Worker Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Robert Son Unmarried M 17 1874 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, William Son Unmarried M 15 1876 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Robert Son Unmarried M 13 1878 Coal Miner Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Christina Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, John Son M 10 1881 Scholar Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Marion Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Cowdenbeath, Fife HUNTER, Simpson Son M 6 1885 Scholar Cowdenbeath, Fife
child:Violet Hunter
NameViolet Hunter GenderFemale Christening Date Christening Place Birth Date06 Jun 1872 BirthplaceBEATH,FIFE,SCOTLAND Death Date Name Note Race Father's NameRobert Hunter Father's Birthplace Father's Age Mother's NameMarion Watson
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ErikaH
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12 Oct 2013 20:47 |
You need to get the marriage cert..........find out the man's age at the time.
If you think he may have been a casualty in WW2...............look for info at.........
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx
You will have to spend money on either the marriage cert or SP credits to find factual info.
The cert will cost £9.25 - SP credits are £7.00 for 30
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Samantha
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13 Oct 2013 18:44 |
I have Hilda and Roberts marriage certificate and in 1936 he was 33 years old, an engineer and i can confirm that they did live at 1 Park Cottages and his father was Robert Hunter and he was a Coal Miner
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rootgatherer
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13 Oct 2013 22:05 |
So do you think that from the information you have that Robert b. 1874 and in 1901 was a Coal miner living at 60 Chapel Street, Beath is the father of your Robert please? That would make the Robert (b. 1851) and his wife Marion your Robert's grandparents.
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rootgatherer
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13 Oct 2013 22:19 |
Used some credits for Scotlandspeople
1911 - Alexander Street, Cowdenbeath
Robert Hunter, head, 34, Mar., Miner, b. Beath Catherine Hunter, wife, 29, Mar. 8 years 2 children, b. Dunfermline Rob. Hunter, son, 7, scholar, b. Beath Isa. Hunter, daughter, b. Beath.
1903 HUNTER ROBERT ARNOTT CATHERINE W BEATH (FIFE) /FIFE 410/00 0013
If you buy credits for Scotlandspeople (as already has been suggested)) you will be able to view the above marriage and also search for Robert's birth. Shouldn't be too difficult to find as you have his age in 1911 and his place of birth.
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Samantha
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14 Oct 2013 00:45 |
Hi thankyou for your reply, yes i believe that the chapel street connection is correct, i have since found LOADS of different information with lots of Roberts and various other people that i am trying to get my head around :-(
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rootgatherer
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14 Oct 2013 10:38 |
To summerise
Robert Hunter b. abt. 1903 son of Robert Hunter b. abt. 1874 and Catherine Arnott b. abt. 1882
Robert Hunter b. abt. 1874 son of Robert Hunter b. abt 1851 Fife and Marion Watson b. abt 1851 Fife
Name: Robert Hunter Spouse's Name: Marion Watson Event Date: 19 May 1871 Event Place: Beath,Fife,Scotland Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11410-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
You would have to purchase the marriage certificate for Robert Hunter and Catherine Arnott to find Catherine's parents. In 1901 she is not with her parents but working as a servant. Not seeing her in 1891.
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Name: Marion Watson Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: William Watson Mother's Name: Violet Watson Gender: Female Where born: Aberdour, fifeshire Registration number: 401 Registration District: Aberdour Civil Parish: Aberdour County: Fife Address: House - Row Occupation: Scholar ED: 4 Household Schedule Number: 73 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1861_53 Household Members: Name Age William Watson 43 Violet Watson 42 John Watson 17 William Watson 15 Margaret Watson 13 James Watson 12 Marion Watson 9 Alexander Watson 5 Henry Watson 3 Isabella Watson 4 Mo
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Name: Marion Watson Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: William Watson Mother's Name: Violet Watson Gender: Female Where born: Aberdour, Fife Registration number: 401 Registration District: Aberdour Civil Parish: Aberdour County: Fife Address: Dombristle Collway Occupation: Out Worker At Coalpit ED: 4 Household Schedule Number: 45 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1871_69 Household Members: Name Age William Watson 53 b. Inveresk, East Lothian Violet Watson 52 b. Inveresk, East Lothian Margaret Watson 23 James Watson 22 Marion Watson 19 Alexander Watson 15 Henry Watson 13 Isabella Watson 10 Robert Watson 6
Name: William Watson Spouse's Name: Voilet Archibald Event Date: 24 May 1839 Event Place: Inveresk With Musselburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M19502-9 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1067758, 1067759 Reference ID:
Name: William Watson Gender: Male Christening Date: 12 Jan 1817 Christening Place: , INVERESK WITH MUSSELBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 31 Dec 1816 Father's Name: John Watson Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19502-3 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067756 Reference ID: 2:18Q7ZGP
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alviegal
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14 Oct 2013 12:43 |
Well done rootgatherer. I think this is Catherine in 1891.
1891 census transcription details for: Main Street, Dunfermline Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 424 Folio: 26 Page: 36 Reg. District: Dunfermline Sub District: Parish: Dunfermline Enum. District: 26 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Main Street, Dunfermline County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ARNOT, John Head Married M 37 1854 Coal Miner Tranent, East Lothian ARNOT, Isabella Wife Married F 35 1856 Lumphannans, Fife ARNOT, Jane Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Crossgates, Fife >>ARNOT, Catherine Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Crossgates, Fife ARNOT, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar Crossgates, Fife ARNOT, Rachel Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Crossgates, Fife ARNOT, Isabella Daughter F 3 1888 Crossgates, Fife ARNOT, Andrew Son M 0 (8 MO) 1891 Crossgates, Fife
1881 census transcription details for: Main Street, Dunfermline Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 424 Folio: 21 Page: 37 Reg. District: Dunfermline Sub District: Parish: Dunfermline Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Main Street, Dunfermline County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ARNOT, John Head Married M 25 1856 Coal Miner Tranent, East Lothian ARNOT, Isa J Wife Married F 24 1857 Ballingry, Fifeshire ARNOT, Jean J Daughter F 0 1881 Dunfermilne, Fifeshire
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1871 census transcription details for: Kelty, Beath Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 410 Folio: 1 Page: 22 Reg. District: Beath Sub District: Parish: Beath Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Kelty, Beath County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born ARNOT, John Head Married M 36 1835 Coal Miner Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Catharine W Wife Married F 38 1833 Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) >>ARNOT, John Son M 17 1854 Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) ARNOT, Janet Daughter F 10 1861 Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Catharine Daughter F 8 1863 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Alexander Son M 4 1867 Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Isabella Daughter F 2 1869 Beath, Fife ARNOT, Mary Daughter F 6 1865 Dunfermline, Fife
1861 census transcription details for: Baldridgeburn, Dunfermline Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 424 Folio: 1 Page: 27 Reg. District: Dunfermline Sub District: Parish: Dunfermline Enum. District: 16 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Baldridgeburn, Dunfermline County: Fife Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ARNOT, John Head Married M 25 1836 Coal Miner Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Catherine Wife Married F 26 1835 Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) ARNOT, John Son M 8 1853 Dunfermline, Fife ARNOT, Janet Daughter F 2 1859 Dunfermline, Fife
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alviegal
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14 Oct 2013 13:00 |
For reference about Scottish Naming Patterns. http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
First son is named for the Father's Father. Second son is named for the Mother's Father. Third son is named for the Father's Father's Father. Fourth son is named for the Mother's Mother's Father. Fifth son is named for the Father's Mother's Father. Sixth son is named for the Mother's Father's Father. Seventh through Tenth sons are named for the Father's Great-Grandfathers. Tenth through Fourteenth sons for the Mother's Great-Grandfathers.
First daughter is named for the Mother's Mother. Second daughter is named for the Father's Mother. Third daughter is named for the Mother's Father's Mother. Fourth daughter is named for the Father's Father's Mother. Fifth daughter is named for the Mother's Mother's Mother. Sixth daughter is named for the Father's Mother's Mother. Seventh through tenth daughters are named for the Mother's Great-Grandmothers. Tenth through fourteenth daughters for the Father's Great-Grandmothers.
NOTES:
In some cases you will find that the order is reversed with the first and second children, i.e. the first-born son being named after the mother's father and the second-born son after the father's father. If this is the case then the daughters are also usually reversed.
You will also find instances where a child is named 'out of pattern', after an aunt or uncle who has died, or after an admired other relative or friend of the parent.
If a child dies in infancy, his or her name is often given to a subsequent child - a natural consequence of the high birth rate and infant mortality rates of past times.
These are only general guidelines and were certainly not always followed.
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Samantha
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14 Oct 2013 15:30 |
Wow thank you so much every one for your help! I will pass all of the above on to my nan. So the mystery still seems to be Isa, as there is only 1 record above. (Isa Hunter sister of Robert b.1903)
So confusing when everyone has the same name! I really appreciate all of your help and to the people that used your credits :-D
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rootgatherer
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15 Oct 2013 10:00 |
If you search on Scotlandspeople for the deaths of Robert Hunter and his wife Catherine, you may find that Isa(bella) was the informant on one of the deaths. If she married you may find out her married surname that way. Female deaths in Scotland are indexed using both maiden and married surnames so can be searched using both surnames. You also have an approximate date of birth for Isa(bella) and this would help to reduce the number of results.
Remember too that there may have been more children born to Robert and Catherine after 1911.
Good luck.
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Samantha
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16 Oct 2013 15:19 |
I brought some credits on SP but i cannot find the death of either Robert or Catherine! Have spent all this time looking, have also looked on Ancestry and Find My Past Its so frustrating! :-|
Also i have 2 pieces of information that dont match :-S As above which rootgatherer kindly posted it says Robert was born in 1874 however i have a copy of a 1911 census and it says he was born in 1877. Is it common for them to get the information wrong or am i back to square one?
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