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Name: Maria Catherina Maguire
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1879
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1879
Parish: St Joseph's
Father's Name: Joannis Maguire
Mother's Name: Mariae Connor

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Name: Josephus McGuire
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1875
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1876
Parish: St Joseph's
Father's Name: Joannis Mcguire
Mother's Name: Mariae Oconnor

FLIP....

Name: Franciscus Maguire
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1881
Parish: St Joseph's
Father's Name: Joannis Maguire
Mother's Name: Mariae Connor

actually there are three entries that would fit for Francis McGuire between 1878 and 1887!! But I think your are probably correct about the baptism of Francis Logan

Got to go out now!

Jude

For info...Maria Catherine's family (including her) in 1891

Name: Mary C Macguire
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Macguire
Mother's Name: Mary Macguire
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2920
Folio: 37
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Macguire 40
Mary Macguire 36
John T Macguire 19
Joseph Macguire 15
James Macguire 13
Mary C Macguire 11
Peter Macguire 7
Francis Macguire 3

Heyjude.

Yes that's her.

I'm wondering if the elusive uncle frank (relative of my dad) was actually his mums brother and not my dad's brother

I had a thought that maybe he could have had learning difficulties or something and my grandparents took him in!

Please could I have the other pages of my grandfathers records if anyone can message them to me

I managed to download them it is quite easy isn't it lol

Sorry if l don't keep up with posts life is overly hectic at the moment and my health isn't too good.

My mum and older brother also spoke of (Frank) Francis when I was younger.
Apparently he visited our home until we moved when I was a baby in the 50s.

I can't thank all of you enough for the excitement you have given me during these posts.
I feel as if part of the brick wall has come tumbling down with my grandfathers army records.

It'll take a little while, but I'll download the other pages and PM to you.

No Pam there ARE two Frank's one born in 1888 (her borther) and one born in 1906 (her son)

Jude

Thanks for the other pages Flip Flop.
Though I've thanked her on pm I thought I would thank her here to so everyone can see.

HeyJude
I'm unable to find a death for the Francis born 1906 so maybe this is really him!
Though I don't have access to catholic deaths just freebmd.

Thank you all so much for opening up my family for me.

Pam

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Name: Francis Maguire
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Age at Death: 3
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 170


Name: Francis Maguire
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 3
Death Year: abt 1884
Burial Date: 21 Dec 1884
Parish: Ford Cemetery

Pity no address given for that entry. Most of the other have addresses.

I think that was the first Francis - the baptism was posted by Jude. They must have named a later child Francis, as he is on the 1891 census age 3 - I think this is the one who was godfather to Francis Logan.

Name: Franciscus Maguire
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1887
Baptism Date: 29 Dec 1887
Parish: St Joseph's
Father's Name: Joannis Maguire
Mother's Name: Mariae Cannor

Pam, when you say Frank (we assume Logan) visited your family up until you moved in the 1950s I assume he was living fairly local to you - what area was that please? Just may give some indication of where he died.

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Name: John Maguire
Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 51
Death Year: abt 1902
Burial Date: 16 Jun 1902
Parish: Ford Cemetery

Address: Latimer Street

I didn't think this is the correct John Maguire as he is shown as deceased when they married on Christmas Day 1901

Jude

Hi rootgatherer

That Francis Maguire is my grandmother Mary Catherine's younger brother.
Their parents were John Maguire born Cavan Ireland and Mary Connor

That is not the correct John as he is declared as deceased on John and Mary Catherine marriage certificate

Hi Flip.

I don't know the address at that time, mum just referred to it as off Queen Anne st.
Maybe it was still Gomer St.

Flip

I wonder if Francis Logan's godparents were Mary Catherine's uncle and aunt in law!

Francis Maguire, Mary's younger brother would only have been 20 or so.

I've just found a marriage of
Francis James Maguire and Mary Emily Keegan in 1901

Its the only one I can find in time for Francis Logan's baptism. Though I think he's too old to be Mary Catherine's younger brother maybe he is her uncle?

It's a possibility Pam, but not sure how we would find if her father had a brother Francis with any certainty - we haven't tried to get back to that generation yet.

So, your family were local to Liverpool until the early 1950s - so we should probably be looking for a death for Francis in that area. Assuming it is Frank Logan your family remember I think he must have died before they started recording full dob, because a search on his date of birth isn't bringing anything up - allowing a couple of years each side.

Franciscum Jacobum Maguire

Marriage Date:
17 Feb 1901

Parish:
St Oswald

Spouse's Name:
Emilian Keegan

Father's Name:
Thoma Maguire

Spouse Father's Name:
Joannis Josephi Fleming

One of the witnesses was Brigitta McGuire of the same address as the groom 21 Tapley Place, but the catholic parish reg does not give ages. Just posting in case it's relevant.

Unfortunately a bit of conflicting info, 1881 census has both parents born Ireland although 1891 states Mary born Cumberland.

Mary C. Maguire
Age:1

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1880

Relationship to Head:Daughter

Father:John Maguire

Mother:Mary Maguire

Gender:Female

Where born:Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Liverpool

County/Island:Lancashire

Country:England

Street Address:27 Thurlow St

Education:

Employment status:

Registration District:Liverpool

Sub-registration District:Islington

ED, institution, or vessel:21

Neighbors:View others on page

Piece:3631

Folio:14

Page Number:21

Household Members:
Name
Age

John Maguire 38
Mary Maguire 29
John Tho. Maguire 11
Joseph Maguire 5
James Maguire 3
Mary C. Maguire 1

I know it was your grandfather you were trying to find more about - but we looked more at Mary C - do you have his christening-

John Logan
Birth Date:16 Apr 1878
Baptism Date:16 Mar 1879
Parish:Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name Daniel Logan
Mother's Name:Rebecca Logan
Reference Number:283 PET/2/77

They are on the 1881 census, at 14 Epsom street, Daniel is a mariner from Liverpool, but Rebecca was born Ireland.