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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 11:37 |
Hello All, I was wondering if someone could help me with this one. In 1911 census Mary Anne Johnstone aged 75 years and a Widow birthplace could be Madres? It shows Mary Anne as mother in law. Mary Anne is residing with a Edward J Cragg Williams aged 48 years occupation Acrobat and born Manchester Lancashire. With Edward is his wife Emily and their children Alfred, Elizabeth and Auther. I am unable to find Mary Anne Johnstone in any other census. I am assuming she is Emily's mother. Tried to find Emily born c1869 Truro Cornwall with a mother of Mary Anne but no luck. I would greatly appreciate any help with this this query Thank You. Patricia.
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Lynne From Up North !!
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6 Oct 2013 12:19 |
For Reference: 1911 Census:
Name:Mary Anne Johnstone Age in 1911:15 ??? Estimated Birth Year:abt 1896 ??? Relation to Head:Mother In Law Gender:Female Civil Parish:Lambeth County/Island:London Country:England Street Address:30 Gresham Road, Brixton, S W Marital Status:Widowed Registration District:Lambeth Registration District Number:25 Sub-registration District:Brixton ED, institution, or vessel:27 Piece:2076 Household Members:NameAge Edward J Cragg Williams 48 Emily Cragg Williams 42 Alfred J Cragg Williams 22 Elizabeth V Cragg Williams 18 Auther P Cragg Williams 19 Mary Anne Johnstone 15 ??? Born Madras, original image states age - 75
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 12:24 |
Lynne, Yes these are the right people. This is all I could find. Thanks. Patricia.
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MarieCeleste
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6 Oct 2013 12:25 |
1911 just for our reference:
CRAGG WILLIAMS, Edward T Head Married 23 years M 48 1863 Acrobat Lanceshire Manchester CRAGG WILLIAMS, Emily Wife Married 23 years F 42 1869 Cornwall Truro CRAGG WILLIAMS, Alfred S Son Married M 22 1889 Hairdresser Clapham London CRAGG WILLIAMS, Elizabeth V Daughter Single F 18 1893 New York Resident CRAGG WILLIAMS, Arthur P Son Single M 19 1892 Draper's Assistant Brixton London JOHNSTONE, Mamry Anne Mother In Law Widow F 75 1836 Madras Resident
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2076 Reference: RG14PN2076 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED27 SN122 Registration District: Lambeth Sub District: Brixton Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Lambeth
Address: 30 Gresham Road Brixton S W County: London
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 12:29 |
Hi Marie, Yes, these are the right people. This is the only place I found Mary Anne. Thanks Patricia.
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Porkie_Pie
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6 Oct 2013 12:30 |
Johnstone, Could be her name to a second marriage
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 12:33 |
Yes Roy I thought about that. Trouble is I cannot find her daughter Emily in any other census either to confirm maiden name. Patricia.
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6 Oct 2013 12:44 |
1901
Name:Mary Johnson Age:65 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1836
Relation:Mother-in-law Where born:Teuro, Cornwall, England <<<
Edward Cragg 37 Emily Cragg 29 Alfred Cragg 12 Elizabeth Cragg 10 Arthur Cragg 7 Mary Johnson 65
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PricklyHolly
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6 Oct 2013 12:47 |
They appear as Cragg in the 1901 census...
1901 England Census about Elizabeth Cragg Name: Elizabeth Cragg Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Edward Cragg Mother's Name: Emily Cragg Gender: Female Where born: NY Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch North Brixton County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Lambeth Sub-registration District: Kennington Second ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 106 Piece: 422 Folio: 43 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Edward Cragg 37 Emily Cragg 29 Alfred Cragg 12 Elizabeth Cragg 10 Arthur Cragg 7 Mary Johnson 65
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MarieCeleste
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6 Oct 2013 12:49 |
This is the family returning from abroad:
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Edward Cragg - an acrobat Birth Date: abt 1864 Age: 32 Port of Departure: Montreal, Quebec, Canada and Quebec, Quebec, Canada Arrival Date: 9 May 1896 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Lake Winnipeg Official Number: 81285
Although it says departure Montreal, the family embarked at New York.
Along with Edward was Emily (25), Amanda (2), Alfred (4)
Next on the list is a James Cragg (49) also an acrobat and wife Tilley (29).
Further up the page is a Mary Johnston (53). No way of knowing if this is her or just a coincidence.
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 12:52 |
Thanks Mike and Holly for finding them in 1901. They used to use the Cragg name as they were known as The Cragg Brothers Acrobats. Edward Williams/Cragg grandmother was a Cragg. Thanks again. Patricia.
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6 Oct 2013 12:53 |
1911 says married 23 yrs
Wonder if ....
Marriages Dec 1887
*****CRAIG Edward James Chorlton 8c 1059 England Sarah Ann Chorlton 8c 1059 ****JOHNSON Emily Chorlton 8c 1059 Warrington James Henry Chorlton 8c 1059
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Porkie_Pie
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6 Oct 2013 12:54 |
? Marriages Dec 1887 CRAIG Edward James Chorlton 8c 1059 JOHNSON Emily Chorlton 8c 1059
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MarieCeleste
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6 Oct 2013 12:57 |
I don't think that's the right marriage. That Emily married James Henry Warrington:
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Emily Johnson Birth Year: abt 1867 Age: 20 Marriage Date: 12 Nov 1887 Parish: Hulme, St Stephen Parish as it Appears: St Stephen, Hulme Father's Name: Joseph Johnson Spouse's Name: James Henry Warrington Spouse's Father's Name: James Warrington Reference Number: M320/6/2/2 Item Number: 4 Archive Roll: 816
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 13:02 |
Thanks Marie for that passenger list. Patricia.
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Mike *
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6 Oct 2013 13:05 |
No, wrong pairing ... Edward Craig married Sarah England
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MarieCeleste
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6 Oct 2013 13:05 |
I think this was them arriving USA, no Mary Johnson with them:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Edward Cragg Name: Edward Cragg Arrival Date: 7 Jul 1890 Birth Date: abt 1864 Age: 26 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Servia
No occupations for the men, just "tourist"
In the party were:
John W (or M) 44 Amanda 24 wife Edward 26 Emily 22 wife Alfred 22 James 20 Cremorn 18 (No idea what the name should be but it's male) Victoria 10 Arthur 8 Alfred 1½
EDIT: There's a very similar list for 1895 where they are listed as acrobats and there are also actresses and comedians, probably the whole troupe.
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MargaretM
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6 Oct 2013 13:10 |
Does this relate to your family?
http://www.palaceofvariety.co.uk/page12.htm
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Lynne From Up North !!
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6 Oct 2013 13:13 |
This looks like Edward travelling to the USA, with wife Emily aged 22 - travelling as Tourists with John M Cragg aged 44, Amanda Cragg aged 24, wife and several other Cragg's:
Name:Edward Cragg Arrival Date:7 Jul 1890 Birth Date:abt 1864 Age:26 Gender:Male Ethnicity/ Nationality:English Place of Origin:England Port of Departure:Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Port of Arrival:New York, New York Ship Name:Servia
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Patricia
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6 Oct 2013 13:17 |
Marie, You mentioned Cremorn. He is hard to find also. Apparently he was named after the racehourse Cremorne . He won the English Derby I think. Thanks for the info on the passenger lists. Patricia.
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