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ok, thanks for that. Kathleen. :-)

There is a 100 year closure on the census so the 1961 census won't be released until January 2062 or the 1951 census released in January 2052. There wasn't a census taken in 1941 during the war and the 1931 census was destroyed during the 2nd world war.

You could check historical electoral rolls but they can only be searched by address and not name. You would need to go to the nearest library to where you think she lived.

Kath. x

Forgot to say, I was wondering about later census that have not been published yet say 1964 era, so not sure how to find this out without sending for the DC.

Thanks, I am seriously wondering if re: a Mary Lee who died aged 97 in Haslemere SW could be of importance. I know my 2 x Great Grandmother was very old when she died, she lived in Haslemere during the 40's but could've lived to well into her 90's. She was born in 1865. I may have to get the DC to see.

what census or death records do you have in mind, Sheil?

there are no census records for that period

do you mean a death record for a Mary Lee in that place?

Haslemere was in Surrey South Western reg dist from 1934

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/surrey%20south%20western.html

she is likely to have died in a period covered by freebmd

I checked Ancestry and there are no others there than what freebmd has

there is this one :-)

Deaths Mar 1964
LEE MARY 97 SURREY S.W. 5G 1109

but that would be only if she stayed there after the war ...

other than that, I'm not really sure what you're asking.


for info, son born 1889 died:

Deaths Dec 1951
BUTLIN Bertram G 62 Lambeth 5c 1176

Hi. I have a new lead but no access to census or death records.So can I ask for more help please? I now know my Great Great Grandmother may have lived in Haslemere during the war, (moved there for safety?) Her son Bertam G Butlin of Brigend Hammer, Haslemere or Brigend, Hammer Lane Haslemere was driving in a motor car when he was in a collision with a cyclist reported in the Portsmouth Evening News 25 Nov 1940. He may have been visiting his mother or brought his mother to Portsmouth to visit other members of her family.

Thanks Rambling Rose for info

It was a lodging house in 1875,

coincidently

Lee Geo. lodging house, St. Mary's house, Nightingale road

http://pubshistory.com/Hampshire/Portsmouth/Southsea1875TradeIL.shtml

There was a St Mary's House in Nightingale road, shows up in google search 1880s, but I would suggest trying the local library/archives for info on what it was used for in the 1940s?

Not sure if I'm posting this in the right place. Can any one help please, I am trying to find out if St Mary's Ho.(not sure if Ho. is short for Home/House/ Hotel in Nightingale Road, Southsea, Hants was a nursing home in the 1940's. I am still looking for the DOD & place of my Great Great Grandmother & a few weeks ago came across a Mrs Mary Lee residing at St Mary's Ho. Nightingale Road, Southsea in the early 1940's. As she was born in 1865 she would be about 80's at the time. I do know one of her last photo's was of her in a wheelchair on a street in Portsmouth.

Thanks for that. I've done some checks on ancestry & the family is a different one at the Ealing address. Confusingly the name of the informant on the DC is A J Lee but I can't see an A J Lee listed on any of the Census you sent. could be cousins or distant cousins of the Portsmouth relatives though. I am going to see if I can get intouch with the Portsmouth cemeteries to see if they have a Head stone for Mary A Lee to see what is on that. My guess is Mary anne Lee is buried at Kingston or Milton Cemetery.

in the 1939 index this household is on Woodrow

Emily R B Lee 1886 Hayes and Harlington U.D. Middlesex
Ernest D Lee 1884 Hayes and Harlington U.D. Middlesex
Henry J Parham 1879 Hayes and Harlington U.D. Middlesex

might she have been visiting someone?

... later electoral rolls at Ancestry, e.g. 1963, shows Emily R Lee at 17 Woodrow

Emily R B and Ernest D are at 17 Woodrow in the 1940s

might the death cert actually say 14 Woodrow?
- edit - I meant might it say 17 Woodrow :-)

Marriages Mar 1909
LEE Ernest Vincent Faversham 2a 1347
PARHAM Emily Rosalie B Faversham 2a 1347

do those names mean anything?

Births Dec 1884
Lee Ernest Vincent Faversham 2a 877


... ah, I fear what they do is rule out that Mary Lee death.

1891 in Lewisham

William Lee 46 plasterer
Mary A Lee 46 laundress
Charles Lee 16
Rose Lee 14
Ada Lee 12
Ernest Lee 7
Frederick Lee 4

1901 in Teynham

William Lee 43
Mary A Lee 42
William E G Lee 18
Ernest E Lee 16
George Lee 10
Redvers R P Lee 1

1881 in Lewisham

William Lee 36
Mary A. Lee 36
Joseph Lee 15
William Lee 14
? Arthur Lee 10 but he was Arthur Edward
Edward Lee 8
Charles Lee 6
Rosa Lee 4
Ada Lee 2

Thanks for your help, I did actually look into that Mary A Lee & I still have the certificate. Everything on it fits including her deceased husband William John Lee listed as a Pensioned Marine Royal Marine except my great Grandmother's middle name, the middle name (could have been an error) & the informant fits too A J Lee (son) but he has a Gosport address & looking at his profile on my tree I can't place him in Gosport at all but of course Gosport is a naval area. On the DC the address given for Mary Ann Lee is 14 ~Woodrow Close, Perivale, Ealing U.D. which is not a Portsmouth address but a London one. I can't see why Mary J Lee would go & live in Ealing for a while unless she had a relative living there & just happened to be in Gosport Portsmouth area at the time of her death.

Such a shame that you didn't find her with those death certificates

The Mary that you mention is on the 1939 register


Household Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England
Mary J Street 1854


The birth year is way out?

Edit: There is this death and I was wondering if 'A' might have been mistaken for 'J'


Name:Mary A Lee

Birth Date:abt 1865

Date of Registration:Jun 1943

Age at Death:78

Registration district:Portsmouth

Inferred County:Hampshire

Volume:2b
Page:704


But I am mindful of you wasting money on duff certificates, it might need more looking into

Hi, certificates unfortunately did not tell me anything other than not my Great Grandmother. But I have come across a Mary J Street on the freeBMD who died in Portsmouth 1940 Mar Q. Now her mother my Great Great Grandmother 's maiden name was Leah Street before she married Henry Ubsdell & who died in Portsea 1901. Do you think it possible Mary Jane Lee used her mother's maiden name before she died?

We will indeed JC :-)

I quite realise that Gins :-)

What I said was that the age difference and the presence of the two men in the household, both younger, made it seem more likely to me that she had boarders than that she was cohabiting.

if they were cohabiting I would have expected to see him in first position as head of household, but then it was her house I gather, and it might not have been openly ... but it would have been openly if she was buried under that name I suppose ...

we shall all have to hold our breaths until the death certs arrive

'cohabiting'

That's what I implied earlier

Ref: 7 Nov 2015 13:13

and then there's this one

Mary Martin 1864 Portsmouth C.B. Hampshire

I just don't see Mary J Lee (whether or not that is the right on in Portsmouth in 1939) turning around and marrying an apparent boarder who is 12 years younger than she is, at the age of 75 or more ...

although I suppose she could have been cohabiting by 1939 and buried under the surname of a long-time partner without being married

One of those Mary J Martins is likely to be this one though on the 1939 reg?

Mary J Martin 1866 Portsmouth C.B. Hampshire