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Rosamond

Rosamond Report 15 Sep 2013 00:52

Lucy Knott born c 1884 in Pickwick, Corsham, Wiltshire. She was my great aunt. My paternal grand fathers sister. I do not know much about her only family stories past down. I know she was married but it is very complicated. do not know her husbands name. They emigrated to America, they had one son and adopted a son. The adopted son accidently shot the real son (Name unknown) while out hunting. Aunt Lucy and her husband then moved to Santa Rosa, California. They did not have any more children. The adopted boys name was John Heasell. I am assuming that Heasell was aunt Lucys surname. But dont know. Lucy and her husband owned a fruit farm until her husband died then aunt lucy retired leaving John to run things, but my gran told me once that she did in fact sell the farm. John lived in Santa Rosa for the rest of his life. I use to write to him and his wife but when she died, John did not write any more so we lost touch. I know they had 3 children. I would just like to know when Lucy married, what date they emigrated and her husband s name and anything else. Please. many thanks. Rosamond

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 00:56

Hello Rosamond, have you looked on FreeBMD for a potential marriage for Lucy?

She would obviously have emigrated in her married name so this basic information is a prerequisite.

Who were her parents and siblings?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:01

Could this be her marriage?

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Lucy Knott, of 10 Victoria Terrace
Birth Year: abt 1884
Age: 23
Marriage or Bann Date: 4 May 1907
Parish: Melcombe Regis St John
Father's Name: Henry James Knott - stonemason
Spouse's Name: Herbert William Heasell - bricklayer of 42 Charles Street
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Heasell (deceased) - Fitter

Both lived Weymouth, neither previously married.

Witnesses: Henry Heasell and E K Seamark

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:09

Looks like they set off to USA as soon as they were married:


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Lucy Heasell
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 11 May 1907
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Philadelphia
Master: A R Mires

Travelling with Wm Herbert Heasell, Bricklayer

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:11


1940 United States Federal Census

Name: Lucy Heasell
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife

Home in 1940: Analy, Sonoma, California
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Caufield Road
Inferred Residence in 1935: Analy, Sonoma, California
Residence in 1935: Same House

Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 5B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 5th grade
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No

Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert W Heasell 57 - Farmer
Lucy Heasell 56
John White 11 - ward

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:13


1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Lucy Heasell
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Analy, Sonoma, California
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1907
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Herbert W Heasell
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert W Heasell 46 - Fruit farmer
Lucy Heasell 44
Herbert J Heasell 9 - son, born California
Arthur J Knott 42 - brother in law
Harold Knott 11 - nephew (b California)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:22

Death of Lucy's husband:


Herbert William Heasell, "California, Death Index, 1940-1997"
Name: Herbert William Heasell
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 22 Dec 1954
Event Place: Sonoma, California, United States
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1882
Birthplace: Other Country
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Heasell
Mother's Name: Rollins

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VP75-HZ8

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:23

Looks like Lucy's death:


Lucy Heasell, "United States Social Security Death Index"
Given Name: Lucy
Middle Name:
Surname: Heasell
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 28 June 1884
Social Security Number: 567-78-0478
State: California
Last Place of Residence: Sonoma, California
Previous Residence Postal Code: 95404
Event Date: October 1975
Age: 91

Rosamond

Rosamond Report 15 Sep 2013 01:28

Hello Marie Celeste.
Thank you so much for the info. the details I have of my maternal grandfathers family fits well with the info you have sent me. Lucys father was indeed Henry James Knott and he did work in the stone quarry in fact he was killed under ground when the ceiling came down on him. I have photos of his widow in her widows weeds. Lucys mother was Elizabeth Gibbons and Lucy was one of nine children. They lived most of their lives in and around Corsham in Wiltshire. How Lucy came to be in weymouth I can only assume she worked in service down that way.
This info has been great help to me thank you. I now have to check the imigration sailing lists and hopefull find the name of the ship and then hopefully find the name of the son who was killed. I really wish I had asked more questions years ago when I had the chance, hind sight is a wonderful thing isnt it.
Manny thanks.
Rosamond, :-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:32

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918l
Name: Herbert William Heasell
City: San Francisco
County: San Francisco
State: California
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1882
Race: White
Draft Board: 10

A shipfitter, wife Lucy

and


U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Herbert William Heasell
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1882
Birth Place: Weymouth, England
Residence: Sonoma, California
Race: White

(We can allow the slight variation on birth date)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 01:44

Rosamond, our post must have crossed - I've posted the passenger details, etc.

Their natural son Herbert was born 1921 according to the 1930 census. The ward John White must be the John you refer to - he was born c1929 according to the 1940 census. John must have been very young when the shooting accident happened.

There are, I'm sure, more records to be found but it's late and I'll check further tomorrow (or later today!)

Rosamond

Rosamond Report 15 Sep 2013 02:15

Dear Marie Celeste,
Many Many Thanks for all the info you have kindly sent me. I really think that this is def my great aunt Lucy. I was interested to see the name of their son also of John White, who must be the adopted boy, who his parents were I dont know. But my gran once said that John was the son of friends who had both drowned. But as his surname is down as White sadly a quite common name. I was also interested to see my grand fathers brother also in the census with his son being born in California, its beginning to look like he also emigrated at some point but I can not remember any talk about Arthur emigrating or who he married. there is sadly very little that I know about grandfathers Knotts siblings except Catherine and her husband was killed when the germans dropped bombs on Bath in 1942 their house had a direct hit.
Another mystery sister is Sarah, I have her in two census but then she disapears. But I know she married and was a good age when she died but as to a family, I dont know. She is the next on my list. Many thanks for all your help. You are a true gem. Kindest regards , Rosamond <3

Rosamond

Rosamond Report 15 Sep 2013 02:29

like I said you are a real gem, signing off now , just looked at the clock.
Nite Nite,
Rosamond. :-)

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 15 Sep 2013 05:53

Name: Lucy Knott
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration District: Chippenham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 67

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 08:41

Mary Jane Carpenter
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Registration District: Chippenham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 105
Spouse: Alfred Tom Knott

Mary Jane Knott
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Corsham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pickwick Rd, Corsham, Wilts
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration District: Chippenham
Registration District Number: 243
Sub-registration District: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 330
Piece: 11866
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Tom Knott 29
Mary Jane Knott 29
Elsie Margaret Knott 5
Agnes Wilson 4 (boarder, born Ireland)

So he/they must have emigrated after 1911 census.

EDIT - looked at the wrong brother, but will leave in case you don't have this info

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 08:44

Sarah Knott
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Registration District: Chippenham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 141
Records on Page: Name
Robert Edwin Carpenter
Henrietta Greenman
Arthur Hemmings <<<<<<<
Sarah Knott <<<<<<

Sarah Hemmings
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Huddswell Corsham
Civil Parish: Corsham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Westwells, Corsham, Wilts
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 3
Estimated Marriage Year: 1908
Occupation: Dressmaker
Registration District: Chippenham
Registration District Number: 243
Sub-registration District: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household Schedule Number: 177
Piece: 11868
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Hemmings 29
Sarah Hemmings 30
Jack Hemmings 2
Francis Mary Hemmings 1

??
Sarah Hemmings
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Mar 1951
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 7c
Page: 75


Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 08:49

I think you have miscounted the number of children they have - there are 10 on the 1901 census and Lucy is absent!

Sarah Knott
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry James Knott
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Knott
Gender: Female
Where born: Corsham, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Corsham
Ecclesiastical parish: Corsham St Bartholomew
Town: Corsham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Chippenham
Sub-registration District: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 123
Piece: 1918
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Henry James Knott 42
Elizabeth Knott 43
Henry Frank Knott 23
Sarah Knott 21
Alfred Knott 19
Arthur John Knott 14
Albert Edward Knott 12
Ernest Knott 9
Frederick Walter Knott 6
George Knott 10
Katherine Eliza Knott 7
William Victor Knott 4

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 08:53

Elizabeth Knott
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Corsham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pickwick, Corsham, Wilts
Years Married: 33
Estimated Marriage Year: 1878
Registration District: Chippenham
Registration District Number: 243
Sub-registration District: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 102
Piece: 11866
Household Members: Name Age
Henry James Knott 52
Elizabeth Knott 53
Arthur John Knott 24
George Knott 20
Ernest Knott 18
Frederick Walter Knott 15

States they had 12 children, but 2 have died.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 09:05

Arthur Knott
City: San Francisco
County: San Francisco
State: California
Birthplace: Wiltshire,England
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1886
Race: Caucasian (White)
Draft Board: 10
Age:

Occupation: Farmer (it says employed by Heasell)

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Colour of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: View Image

States he has wife, child, mother. birth place or image is Corsham

The image does not have the year, but I would assume 1916, so he must have emigrated between 1911-16, but haven't found that yet.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 09:06

Arthur John Knott
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1886
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 16 Jan 1954
Death Place: Sonoma
Mother's Maiden Name: Gibbons
Father's Surname: Knott