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15 Sep 2013 00:52 |
Lucy Knott born c 1884 in Pickwick, Corsham, Wiltshire. She was my great aunt. My paternal grand fathers sister. I do not know much about her only family stories past down. I know she was married but it is very complicated. do not know her husbands name. They emigrated to America, they had one son and adopted a son. The adopted son accidently shot the real son (Name unknown) while out hunting. Aunt Lucy and her husband then moved to Santa Rosa, California. They did not have any more children. The adopted boys name was John Heasell. I am assuming that Heasell was aunt Lucys surname. But dont know. Lucy and her husband owned a fruit farm until her husband died then aunt lucy retired leaving John to run things, but my gran told me once that she did in fact sell the farm. John lived in Santa Rosa for the rest of his life. I use to write to him and his wife but when she died, John did not write any more so we lost touch. I know they had 3 children. I would just like to know when Lucy married, what date they emigrated and her husband s name and anything else. Please. many thanks. Rosamond
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15 Sep 2013 00:56 |
Hello Rosamond, have you looked on FreeBMD for a potential marriage for Lucy?
She would obviously have emigrated in her married name so this basic information is a prerequisite.
Who were her parents and siblings?
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MarieCeleste
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15 Sep 2013 01:01 |
Could this be her marriage?
Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Lucy Knott, of 10 Victoria Terrace Birth Year: abt 1884 Age: 23 Marriage or Bann Date: 4 May 1907 Parish: Melcombe Regis St John Father's Name: Henry James Knott - stonemason Spouse's Name: Herbert William Heasell - bricklayer of 42 Charles Street Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Heasell (deceased) - Fitter
Both lived Weymouth, neither previously married.
Witnesses: Henry Heasell and E K Seamark
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15 Sep 2013 01:09 |
Looks like they set off to USA as soon as they were married:
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Lucy Heasell Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Date: abt 1883 Departure Date: 11 May 1907 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Philadelphia Master: A R Mires
Travelling with Wm Herbert Heasell, Bricklayer
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MarieCeleste
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15 Sep 2013 01:11 |
1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Lucy Heasell Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: England Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Analy, Sonoma, California Map of Home in 1940: View Map Street: Caufield Road Inferred Residence in 1935: Analy, Sonoma, California Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 5B Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 5th grade Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No
Household Members: Name Age Herbert W Heasell 57 - Farmer Lucy Heasell 56 John White 11 - ward
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15 Sep 2013 01:13 |
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Lucy Heasell Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1886 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Analy, Sonoma, California Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1907 Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: Herbert W Heasell Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age Herbert W Heasell 46 - Fruit farmer Lucy Heasell 44 Herbert J Heasell 9 - son, born California Arthur J Knott 42 - brother in law Harold Knott 11 - nephew (b California)
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MarieCeleste
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15 Sep 2013 01:22 |
Death of Lucy's husband:
Herbert William Heasell, "California, Death Index, 1940-1997" Name: Herbert William Heasell Event Type: Death Event Date: 22 Dec 1954 Event Place: Sonoma, California, United States Birth Date: 30 Oct 1882 Birthplace: Other Country Gender: Male Father's Name: Heasell Mother's Name: Rollins
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VP75-HZ8
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15 Sep 2013 01:23 |
Looks like Lucy's death:
Lucy Heasell, "United States Social Security Death Index" Given Name: Lucy Middle Name: Surname: Heasell Name Suffix: Birth Date: 28 June 1884 Social Security Number: 567-78-0478 State: California Last Place of Residence: Sonoma, California Previous Residence Postal Code: 95404 Event Date: October 1975 Age: 91
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Rosamond
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15 Sep 2013 01:28 |
Hello Marie Celeste. Thank you so much for the info. the details I have of my maternal grandfathers family fits well with the info you have sent me. Lucys father was indeed Henry James Knott and he did work in the stone quarry in fact he was killed under ground when the ceiling came down on him. I have photos of his widow in her widows weeds. Lucys mother was Elizabeth Gibbons and Lucy was one of nine children. They lived most of their lives in and around Corsham in Wiltshire. How Lucy came to be in weymouth I can only assume she worked in service down that way. This info has been great help to me thank you. I now have to check the imigration sailing lists and hopefull find the name of the ship and then hopefully find the name of the son who was killed. I really wish I had asked more questions years ago when I had the chance, hind sight is a wonderful thing isnt it. Manny thanks. Rosamond, :-)
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15 Sep 2013 01:32 |
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918l Name: Herbert William Heasell City: San Francisco County: San Francisco State: California Birth Date: 31 Oct 1882 Race: White Draft Board: 10
A shipfitter, wife Lucy
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U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Name: Herbert William Heasell Birth Date: 29 Oct 1882 Birth Place: Weymouth, England Residence: Sonoma, California Race: White
(We can allow the slight variation on birth date)
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MarieCeleste
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15 Sep 2013 01:44 |
Rosamond, our post must have crossed - I've posted the passenger details, etc.
Their natural son Herbert was born 1921 according to the 1930 census. The ward John White must be the John you refer to - he was born c1929 according to the 1940 census. John must have been very young when the shooting accident happened.
There are, I'm sure, more records to be found but it's late and I'll check further tomorrow (or later today!)
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Rosamond
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15 Sep 2013 02:15 |
Dear Marie Celeste, Many Many Thanks for all the info you have kindly sent me. I really think that this is def my great aunt Lucy. I was interested to see the name of their son also of John White, who must be the adopted boy, who his parents were I dont know. But my gran once said that John was the son of friends who had both drowned. But as his surname is down as White sadly a quite common name. I was also interested to see my grand fathers brother also in the census with his son being born in California, its beginning to look like he also emigrated at some point but I can not remember any talk about Arthur emigrating or who he married. there is sadly very little that I know about grandfathers Knotts siblings except Catherine and her husband was killed when the germans dropped bombs on Bath in 1942 their house had a direct hit. Another mystery sister is Sarah, I have her in two census but then she disapears. But I know she married and was a good age when she died but as to a family, I dont know. She is the next on my list. Many thanks for all your help. You are a true gem. Kindest regards , Rosamond <3
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Rosamond
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15 Sep 2013 02:29 |
like I said you are a real gem, signing off now , just looked at the clock. Nite Nite, Rosamond. :-)
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15 Sep 2013 05:53 |
Name: Lucy Knott Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884 Registration District: Chippenham Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume: 5a Page: 67
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15 Sep 2013 08:41 |
Mary Jane Carpenter Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1905 Registration District: Chippenham Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume Number: 5a Page Number: 105 Spouse: Alfred Tom Knott
Mary Jane Knott Age in 1911: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Corsham County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Pickwick Rd, Corsham, Wilts Marital Status: Married Years Married: 6 Estimated Marriage Year: 1905 Registration District: Chippenham Registration District Number: 243 Sub-registration District: Corsham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 330 Piece: 11866 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Tom Knott 29 Mary Jane Knott 29 Elsie Margaret Knott 5 Agnes Wilson 4 (boarder, born Ireland)
So he/they must have emigrated after 1911 census.
EDIT - looked at the wrong brother, but will leave in case you don't have this info
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15 Sep 2013 08:44 |
Sarah Knott Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907 Registration District: Chippenham Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume Number: 5a Page Number: 141 Records on Page: Name Robert Edwin Carpenter Henrietta Greenman Arthur Hemmings <<<<<<< Sarah Knott <<<<<<
Sarah Hemmings Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Huddswell Corsham Civil Parish: Corsham County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Westwells, Corsham, Wilts Marital Status: Married Years Married: 3 Estimated Marriage Year: 1908 Occupation: Dressmaker Registration District: Chippenham Registration District Number: 243 Sub-registration District: Corsham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Schedule Number: 177 Piece: 11868 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Hemmings 29 Sarah Hemmings 30 Jack Hemmings 2 Francis Mary Hemmings 1 ?? Sarah Hemmings Birth Date: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Mar 1951 Age at Death: 71 Registration District: Bath Inferred County: Somerset Volume: 7c Page: 75
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15 Sep 2013 08:49 |
I think you have miscounted the number of children they have - there are 10 on the 1901 census and Lucy is absent!
Sarah Knott Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry James Knott Mother's Name: Elizabeth Knott Gender: Female Where born: Corsham, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Corsham Ecclesiastical parish: Corsham St Bartholomew Town: Corsham County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chippenham Sub-registration District: Corsham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 123 Piece: 1918 Folio: 14 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Henry James Knott 42 Elizabeth Knott 43 Henry Frank Knott 23 Sarah Knott 21 Alfred Knott 19 Arthur John Knott 14 Albert Edward Knott 12 Ernest Knott 9 Frederick Walter Knott 6 George Knott 10 Katherine Eliza Knott 7 William Victor Knott 4
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15 Sep 2013 08:53 |
Elizabeth Knott Age in 1911: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Corsham County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Pickwick, Corsham, Wilts Years Married: 33 Estimated Marriage Year: 1878 Registration District: Chippenham Registration District Number: 243 Sub-registration District: Corsham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 102 Piece: 11866 Household Members: Name Age Henry James Knott 52 Elizabeth Knott 53 Arthur John Knott 24 George Knott 20 Ernest Knott 18 Frederick Walter Knott 15 States they had 12 children, but 2 have died.
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15 Sep 2013 09:05 |
Arthur Knott City: San Francisco County: San Francisco State: California Birthplace: Wiltshire,England Birth Date: 9 Oct 1886 Race: Caucasian (White) Draft Board: 10 Age:
Occupation: Farmer (it says employed by Heasell)
Nearest Relative:
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Signature: View Image
States he has wife, child, mother. birth place or image is Corsham
The image does not have the year, but I would assume 1916, so he must have emigrated between 1911-16, but haven't found that yet.
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15 Sep 2013 09:06 |
Arthur John Knott Gender: Male Birth Date: 9 Oct 1886 Birth Place: Other Country Death Date: 16 Jan 1954 Death Place: Sonoma Mother's Maiden Name: Gibbons Father's Surname: Knott
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