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Hi it seems Aunt Vera was married to a Tom Guy but they had no children. The Hoare’s don’t seem to be related as my mum hasn’t heard of the names. I know Uncle Freddie had at least 2 children. I’ve sent a message to FOTR. Thank you

ArgyllGran I know this is an old post I’m new to this as I stumbled across it in my search. I’m trying to find out an information I can Carol is my mum and the daughter of Albert John jnr and Margaret prentice (Peggy) watson nee Gordon. My mum spoke of Uncle Freddie who married Iris and Aunt Vera who married Tom but no last names were given so I’m trying to find out everything I can. Thanks

Looks like Freddie and Jennie Vera in 1939 - evacuees. [Albert jnr will be the closed record with his parents in 1939 ]:

Vera G Watson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Vera G Watson
[Jenny V. Guy]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 25 Jul 1931
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18 Lyndworth Close
Residence Place: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Occupation: At School
Schedule Number: 146
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: DXBQ
Registration district: Oxford 153
Household Members:
Name
Lenard R Hoare - 14 Oct 1911, mechanic, ARP Oxford City
Dorothy H M Hoare - 23 Oct 1911
Frederick E Watson - 18 May 1928, school
Vera G Watson


Don't know if the Hoares are relatives or not - probably not:

Leonard R Hoare
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Leonard R Hoare
Registration Date: Apr 1938
[May 1938]
[Jun 1938]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Chipping Norton
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Spouse: Dorothy H M Bloomfield
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 4431


Lennard Richard Hoare
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Lennard Richard Hoare
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1911
Baptism Date: 3 Dec 1911
Baptism Place: Tackley, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Tackley
Father: Harry Hoare
Mother: Gertrude Matilda Hoare


Dorothy H M Bloomfield
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dorothy H M Bloomfield
Mother's Maiden Name: Ward
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Woodstock
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 2031

Deaths as mentioned by FOTR in opening post:


Civilian WATSON, EDITH ROSE
Died 21/06/1944
Aged 42
Civilian War Dead
of 3 Caledonian Terrace. Wife of Albert John Watson. Died at 3 Caledonian Terrace.



Civilian WATSON, ALBERT JOHN
Died 21/06/1944
Aged 42
Civilian War Dead
Air Raid Warden; of 3 Caledonian Terrace. Husband of Edith Rose Watson. Died at 3 Caledonian Terrace.

So the 1911 for Edith, posted by Erika in 2013, and the 1911 for Albert, posted by RG in 2013, are the correct ones.

Edith Rose and Albert (1902) in 1939:

Edith R Watson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Edith R Watson
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1903
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 86
Residence Place: Poplar, London, England
Occupation: Hemp Dryer
Schedule Number: 74
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: AQPE
Registration district: 19/2
Inferred Spouse: Albert J Watson
Household Members:
Name
Albert J Watson - 7 Feb. 1902; roofing felt machinist; ARP Barking Council
Edith R Watson
(and one closed record on Ancestry)


[EDIT: the closed record is likely to be son Albert, as Freddie and Jennie Vera were in Oxford - see later post.]


Their marriage:

Albert John Watson
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Albert John Watson
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1902
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1923
Marriage Place: St Matthias, Poplar, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Albert John Watson, sailor
Spouse: Edith Rose Brett [ Father: Frederick Brett , labourer ]


Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%) (already posted in 2013 by MarieCeleste)
Brett Edith R Watson Poplar 1c 699
Watson Albert J Brett Poplar 1c 699


Three children of the marriage, all born in Poplar reg district - and Rachel mentions siblings Freddie and Vera in her post):

Albert J 1923, Frederick Ed 1928, Jennie V 1931.

Rachel seems to be a niece of Fox on the Rocks's partner..

Albert John and Margaret were FOTR's partner's parents, so it looks as if Rachel's mum Carol is the partner's sister

Rachel this is an old thread, are you needing help with the same Watson family?

edit yes i see it seems to be the same family, are you the original poster under a different name?if not have you tried messaging them?

What info in particular are you looking for please as it will help with knowing what to advise :-)

Ericka H my granda had a brother Freddie and a sister Vera

I’m the granddaughter of Albert John Watson and Margaret Prentice (nee Gordon). My mum (Carol) is my grandas 2nd child and 2nd daughter and my granny’s 1st born and only daughter. My grandas parents are Albert John Watson and Edith Rose (nee Brett) and his grandparents are Albert John Watson and Amelia Jane. My granda was 1st married to Wilhelmina Snodden who died in 1953 (I don’t know what she died of) and they have a daughter (Sylvia). My granny and granda married in October 1954. My granda passed away April 1997 and my granny passed away March 2017. I’m looking into my family history if anyone has anymore information I would greatly appreciate it. Any further questions I will try to answer. Thank you

The English 1911 is free right now, with images, at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352

The English 1881 is free (but no free images) at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7572

Devon 1861 (missing one piece # in Plymouth) & 1871 (complete) are free at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
in particular:
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 (for all Ireland pre-1922, but only the republic post partition):
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free (with images) at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/


Saltash is at the Cornwall end of Brunel's rail bridge across the Tamar just 5km out of Plymouth. Saltash is in St German's RD.

????

Births Mar 1902 Watson Albert John St. Germans 5c 40

1911

Name: Albert John Watson
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southampton
Civil Parish: St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Paget Street, Chapel, Southampton
Registration District: Southampton
Registration District Number: 99
Sub-registration District: Southampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household Schedule Number: 90
Piece: 5977
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert John Watson 33, Dock Labourer
Amelia Jane Watson 31
Albert John Watson 9
William percy Watson 3
Charlote Watson 1

I must admit, that I've never really used the freebmd before as all my ancestors came from scotland. I just poodled around on scotlandspeople. gov for a few month, interchanging between ancestry and genes. But ive got the adrenaline buzz right away again.............I feel another addiction coming on!! lol :)

Thank you so much for your help. Its been so long since ive been on here. I'll keep you all posted :D

In 1931 Edith Rose was living at 5 Perrys Close with Albert John

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edith Rose Watson
Year: 1931
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Poplar

It may have been flats as there were quite a few other names listed.

Fox, if you use the FreeBMD link that Reggie posted you can find some possible siblings for Albert J jnr.

To find out more about Albert John snr and Edith Rose you really need to order their marriage certificate. You can get this from GRO, costs £9.25

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Albert jnr seems to have had a couple of siblings (one of each)............I'll let you look for the info

1911 census..............possibly


Person: BRETT, Edith Address: 28 Salter Street

BRETT, Frederick Thomas Head Married M 52 1859 Dock Labourer Whitechapel London VIEW
BRETT, Elizabeth Wife Married24 years F 45 1866 Limehouse VIEW
BRETT, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 21 1890 Machine Hand Mile End London VIEW
BRETT, Fredrick Son Single M 19 1892 Baker Mile End London VIEW
BRETT, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1894 Machine Hand Shadwell VIEW
BRETT, Jane Daughter F 13 1898 Shadwell VIEW
BRETT, William Son M 11 1900 Shadwell VIEW
BRETT, Edith Daughter F 8 1903 Shadwell VIEW
BRETT, Lilian Daughter F 6 1905 Limehouse VIEW
BRETT, Helen Daughter F 4 1907 Limehouse

This could be the birth of Albert John who died in 1994:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1923
Watson Albert J Brett Poplar 1c 690

Thank you so much much Reggie, that definately looks like them :D