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Pam - if you definitely think that it was Benjamin Exley's wife that gassed herself and you decide to buy the death certificate of Harriet Hannah Exley please come back to this thread and let us know what it says.

I, for one, would be interested to see if this death certificate confirms or refutes the theory that she gassed herself. If she did then perhaps she WAS the person known as "Dolly".

Names, dates and stories often get mixed up as the years go by.

Kath. x

Hi all, you have all been brilliant helping me, cannot believe the support I have had, and still getting, you all deserve a medal, well at least some kind of recognision, , I wonder if WHO DO THINK YOU ARE would be interested, do not think so, cos me is not in the limelight, But , my mums cousin is Christopher Walker, who plays a policeman in Doctors on telly.

Pam :-)

Yes, Kath, me thinks I should drop the name Hanson from my family tree, and keep Williams, makes more sense, I think. - Hannah Williams b 1865 Ossett, spouse Samuel Hanson b 1859, child- Samuel Hanson b1890 Thorpe arch, Kitty Nunn b1894 Ossett, Samuel Hanson b 1896 Ossett, Emily Hanson b 1896 Ossett.

am going to drop Hanson from my grandmother name , Elizabeth Williams. :-) :-S :-S

Pam,

I don't think Elizabeth gave the children her maiden name as a middle name.

What you are seeing in the birth index is:-

Nunn (surname), Douglas (first name), Williams (mother's maiden name - which is always in the birth index after 1911). So your father is just Douglas Nunn as per this entry:-


Name: NUNN, Douglas
Registration district: Hemsworth
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1919
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Williams
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 232

It's just that when you look at the entry on FreeBMD it is all put together on one line so at first glance it looks as it the mother's maiden name could be a middle name (but isn't).

Kath. x

There is not a birth to match "Dolly" in 1925. The only Nunn birth in 1925 of a girl in Hemsworth was Joyce mother's maiden name Young. It's already been "proved" Harriet Hannah was the first born and the living child of the two born to the marriage at the 1911 census.

So as suggested earlier the only way you are going to ascertain if Harriet Hannah could possibly be Dolly who "gassed herself" is to buy the death certificate - good luck!

Jude

Patchem, my father was Douglas Nunn b 1919, siblings Amos Nunn b 1910-1911, Joseph Hanson Nunn b 1911-1911, Arthur Williams Nunn b 1914-1915, Albert Nunn b1924, Kenneth Nunn b 1926, Dolly Nunn 1925 ??

My father Douglas, Albert, Amos, Dolly ? Harriet Hannah, Kenneth, parents Amos Arthur Nunn And Elizabeth Williams Hanson, do not know about the rest, Elizabeth Williams gave them her maiden name as their middle name for some reason ?.

Kath, I think you are right in saying that Elizabeth must have used the name Hanson when her mother married Samuel Hanson :-S

I wonder if that birth in 1911 with the maiden name given as Hanson rather than Williams was registered by Amos instead of Elizabeth?

Perhaps because Elizabeth married using the name Elizabeth Williams Hanson, Amos didn't know that her maiden name was actually Williams. Just an idea really???

Kath. x

Interesting maybe

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Nunn Joseph Hanson Hemsworth 9c 349 Scan available - click to view

Jude

This looks like your grandmother's death:-


Name: NUNN, Elizabeth
Registration district: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1930
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 42
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 59

Kath. x

Elizabeth Williams Hanson seems to have started out as Elizabeth Williams and then taken on the Hanson name (probably when her mother married Samuel Hanson). Here she is in the 1891 census:-

1891 census transcription details for: Little Town End, Ossett With Gawthorpe, Ossett

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3739
Folio: 58
Page: 6
Reg. District: Dewsbury
Sub District: Ossett
Parish: Ossett with Gawthorpe
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough: Ossett

Address: Little Town End, Ossett With Gawthorpe, Ossett
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

HANSON, Samuel Head Single M 32 1859 Scavenger
Wakefield, Yorkshire
WILLIAMS, Hannah Visitor Single F 26 1865 Rag Sorter
Thorp Arch, Yorkshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 3 1888
Thorp Arch, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WILLIAMS, Samuel Son M 0 (10M) 1891
Thorp Arch, Yorkshire

Then this is the marriage of Samuel and Hannah:-


Name: HANSON, Samuel
Registration district: Dewsbury
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1891
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 876

MarriageFinder: Samuel Hanson married one of the following people:

SPENCER, Emily
WILLIAMS, Hannah<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
COCKBURN, Henry Herbert

Elizabeth Williams Hanson probably started using the Hanson surname when her mother married Samuel but then when she had her children decided that she should give her proper maiden name when registering them (which was Williams).

Kath. x

Are you mixing up what is written on the birth index for the birth in 1910? The name is William Nunn - William being his first name and Nunn being his surname so he IS the son of Amos Arthur Nunn and born inside the marriage. It seems he dies in the same year and is probably the child mentioned on the 1911 census who has died.

Kath. x

Hi Pam

You say you can't find Harriet nunn on any census records but I have already posted the 1911 census record for her earlier. Here it is again (she is in hospital):-

1911 census transcription details for: Infections Diseases Hospital Belonging To The Hemsworth Rural District Council

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27529 RD506 SD2 ED1 SN118
Reg. District: Hemsworth
Sub District: Hemsworth Western
Parish: Brierley
Enum. District: 1

Address: Brierley Common Brierley Near Barnsley
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

NUNN, Harriet Patient F 4 1907 So Kirkby Yorkshire

Kath. x

This family, the census says William(s) as surname for Hannah, Elizabeth and the younger Samuel, but then dau and son for children, so have been given the surname Hanson by the transcriber?

1891 England Census
Elizabeth Hanson [Elizabeth Williams] Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Hanson
Gender: Female Where born: Thorp Arch, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ossett Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration District: Dewsbury Sub-registration District: Ossett
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 3739 Folio: 58 Page Number: 6
Samuel Hanson 32 scavenger
Hannah Williams 26 rag sorter
Elizabeth Hanson 3
Samuel Hanson 10/12
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3739; Folio: 58; Page: 6; GSU Roll: 6098849.

Added:
Samuel Hanson
Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 32
Marriage or Bann Date: 17 May 1891
Parish: Ossett and Gawthorpe, Holy and Undivided Trinity
Father's Name: Phileman Hanson
Spouse's Name: Hannah Williams
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Williams

You have your Father as Douglas, born 1919, son of Elizabeth Williams Hanson, but her maiden name was Williams, surely?

Births Jun 1919
Nunn Douglas Williams Hemsworth 9c 232

and these are his siblings?
Births Jun 1914
NUNN Arthur Williams Hemsworth 9c 397
Births Mar 1923
Nunn Albert Williams Hemsworth 9c 296
Births Mar 1926
Nunn Kenneth Williams Hemsworth 9c 294

This is the only Nunn/Brown showing born Hemsworth - your aunt?
Births 1933
NUNN Doris Brown Hemsworth

Ok, my father was Douglas Nunn b 1919 , son of Amos Arthur Nunn and Elizabeth Williams Hanson b 1888, sharleston Wakefield, my mother was Pamela Ruth Clamp. my father, his mother Elizabeth Williams Hanson, she died, Amos Arthur Nunn took on a housekeeper, Doris Browne, her husband was Edward Pinkney, he died, Doris was born in Africa ( don't know what part of Africa) but, Doris parents where religious pioneers who built a house in Africa, and owned slaves, apparently, Doris Browne should have been on the ship Titanic, for some reason, her family did not board the Titanic, do not know why ?, but Doris came to England (though she was a white and british) she managed to come across my grandfather Amos Arted out to me, hur Nunn, Amos took her in as housekeeper, cos my dad was the oldest in the family, he had to miss on his education because he had to look after the other members of the family, so my dad did not have a life, hence, housekeeper, Doris Browne, but, they had children, out of wedlock, i.e, my aunt Doris, my dads half sister who has been giving me info, about Dolly Nunn, and her hubby Benny Exley, which you have already pointed out to me, is not to be, my aunt Doris belongs to Doris Browne, my father's half sister. but I have sorted my family tree out now regarding Benjamin Exley with thanks to you all xx

Ok Kathleenbell, this is true, no, Harriet was born within wedlock, I cannot find on any census records GRRR so frustrated, I do thank you all for taking interest though, :-)
Pam x

SNAP, MarieCeleste!!

Kath. x

The marriage of Amos Arthur Nunn to Elizabeth Williams Hanson was in 1905 and Harriet Hannah wasn't born until 1906, so she wasn't born before the marriage.

I think you would need to buy Harriet's death certificate to see what the cause of death was to see if this is the person you thought might have gassed herself.

Kath. x

Pam, Harriet Hannah was born AFTER Amos Arthur and Elizabeth married:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Amos Nunn
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration District: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 86

Records on Page:
Name
**Elizabeth Williams Hanson
**Amos Nunn


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Harriet Hannah Nunn
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Registration District: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 50


(We'd already posted Harriet Hannah's marriage?)