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13 Aug 2013 01:07 |
I am trying to find John Wraighte's (sometimes spelt Wraight) siblings and parents to be able to look further back into my ancestry. He is currently at the top of my tree. I think he married Sarah Brown (? also born 1781) in 1799 at St Mary of Charity Church in Faversham. They had 5 sons born in Faversham (Winford Brown 1800, John 1801, Thomas 1805, George Brown 1806, George Winford 1815, this info is from family members). I am a descendent from John 1801, but do not know if any of his brothers married or how long or where they lived. John 1781 worked as a gardener and lived on West st southside Faversham in 1841 census and may have lived and worked in Maidstone workhouse in 1851 census (but census states birth place as Maidstone so may not be the same John). He may have died 1862 but unsure of this and where he is buried. Also the middle name 'Brown' crops up a lot in my tree but also in other 'wraight' trees from kent dated further back than sarah brown 1781 (but not linked to my tree at present), so not sure where this name originates from. If anyone can fill in any of the many gaps in my family history as above, I would be extremely grateful as I cannot seem to get any further than this. Jane
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Kiwibird
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13 Aug 2013 07:52 |
I found some info on John's (1801) Siblings that you might find useful.
Winford Brown Wraighte, Married Ellen Bland at Bethnal Green St Mathews, BethnalGreen, Tower Hamlets 14 November 1858. their address at time of Marriage is shown as 13 Williams Terrace. Winford's Father shown as John Wraighte [ Occ ] Gun Powder Maker and Ellen's Father is John Bland [Occ] Cabinet Maker. Winford's Occupation is shown as Gun Maker. This Record is from the[ London England Marriage& Banns 1754-1921] on Ancestry.
Regards Kiwibird :-)
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 10:36 |
Civil registration event: Death View the original image
Name: WRAIGHT, George Brown
Registration district: [?] Sheppey
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1852
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 334
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 10:41 |
family 1841 WRAIGHTE, John M 60 1781 Kent VIEW WRAIGHTE, Sarah F 60 1781 Kent VIEW WRAIGHTE, George M 35 1806 Kent VIEW WRAIGHTE, Winford M 25 1816 Kent VIEW
Piece: 472
Book/Folio: 19/27
Page: 7
Registration District: Faversham Union
Civil Parish: Faversham
Municipal Borough: Faversham
Address: West Street, South Side, Faversham
County: Kent
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 10:45 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Winford Brown Wraight Name: Winford Brown Wraight Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Ellen Bland Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Nov 1858 Parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Wraight Spouse Father Name: John Bland Register Type: Parish Register
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 11:00 |
?????? View Record Thomas Wraighte Jul-Aug-Sep 1845 Edmonton Middlesex Order Record View Record John Wraighte Jan-Feb-Mar 1862 Edmonton
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 11:22 |
Don't forget, age of over fifteens in census 1841 was rounded down to nearest five years, so John could have been born in later 1770s.
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Name: John Wraight Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Sep 1776 Christening Place: Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Wraight Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Ann Wraight Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04420-4 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1752061 Reference ID: it 2
It's a bit tight, but if he was born between June 1776 and his baptism on 29th Sept 1776, then he would have been 64 at the time on the census on 6th June 1841, and his age rounded down to 60 on the census form.
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 11:27 |
However, just to throw a spanner in the works...
Name: John Wraight Gender: Male Christening Date: 31 Oct 1784 Christening Place: Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Wraight Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Ann Wraight Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04420-4 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1752061 Reference ID: it 2
Indicating the one I had posted above, may well have died?
No indication of how old either John was at baptism.
Was there more than one Thomas and Ann Wraight?
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 11:32 |
a tree on ancestry has this, no other information at all
1861 England Census about John Wraight Name: John Wraight Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lucy Wraight Gender: Male Where born: Darrington, Kent, England Civil Parish: Waltham Holy Cross Town: Waltham Abbey County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Edmonton Sub-registration District: Waltham Abbey ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 276 Piece: 801 Folio: 26 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age John Wraight 59 Lucy Wraight 51 Mary Wraight 21 Martha Wraight 18 John Wraight 14 William Wraight 12 Frederick Wraight 10
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 11:38 |
????????????
Groom's Forename(s):John
Groom's Surname:Wraight
Groom's Parish:Davington
Bride's Forename(s):Sarah
Bride's Surname:Brown
Bride's Parish:Davington
Marriage Day:22
Marriage Month:Jun
Marriage Year:1799
Page:273
Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/146/1/10
Year Range:1754-1801
Record source:Canterbury Marriage Banns - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 11:44 |
bearing in mind what Kucinta has said about census age ???? 25
Month:May
Year:1846
Forename(s):Sarah
Surname:Wraight
Age:70 Page:68
Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/146/1/33
Year Range:1813-1837
Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Day:16
Month:Apr
Year:1851
Forename(s):John
Surname:Wraight
Age:74 Page:131
Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/146/1/33
Year Range:1813-1837
Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 11:46 |
are these yours :24
Month:Apr
Year:1871
Forename(s):Winford
Surname:Wraight
Age:56
Page:35
Place:Teynham, St Mary
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/222
Year Range:1859-1890
Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
Day:26
Month:Jan
Year:1800
Forename(s):Winford Brown
Surname:Wraight
Father's Forename(s):John
Mother's Forename(s):Sarah
Place:Faversham, St Mary of Charity
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/146/1/3
Year Range:1774-1806
Record source:Canterbury Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Day:18
Month:Oct
Year:1801
Forename(s):Winfred Brown
Surname:Wreight
Age:0 Page:3
Place:Davington, St Mary Magdalene
County:Kent
Archive Reference:U3/138
Year Range:1785-1813
Record source:Canterbury Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Canterbury Cathedral Archives
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 12:20 |
Bearing in mind the name of son Winford Brown Wraighte, this baptism for Sarah Brown seems quite likely...
Name: Sarah Brown<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Oct 1777 Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England<<<<<<<<< Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Winford Brown<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID: item 3 p 200
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2013 12:21 |
Thomas ??? 1851
1851 England Census about Thomas Wraight Name: Thomas Wraight Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Wraight Gender: M (Male) Where born: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Rye Town: Rye County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Romney Marsh Sub-registration District: New Romney ED, institution, or vessel: 4c Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 133 Piece: 1634 Folio: 308 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Wraight 47 Sarah Wraight 39 William Wraight 21 Matilda Gracy 15 John Gracy 15 Jesse Gracy 12
Marriage Day:12
Marriage Month:Jul
Marriage Year:1830
Groom's Forename(s):Thomas
Groom's Surname:Wraight
Groom's Age:
Groom's Status:Bachelor
Groom's Occupation:
Groom's Residence:Peasmarsh Ssx
Bride's Forename(s):Sarah
Bride's Surname:Bodkin
Notes:
Dedication:St Mary
Place:Ashford
County:Kent
Record Source:Ashford St Mary marriages 1693-1837
Record source:Kent Marriages
Data provider:Kent Family History Society
Transcriptions © Kent Family History Society
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 12:26 |
Did Winford Brown, Sarah's father, marry two Marys?
Name: Winford Brown Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Mary Admans Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 23 Mar 1776 Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01609-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID:
(presumably the mother of Sarah Brown)
and also
Name: Winford Brown Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Mary Blundell Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 25 Dec 1780 Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01609-9 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID: p.13
though Winford in 1780 is said to be single.
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 12:29 |
Parents of Winford Brown?
Name: Winford Brown Gender: Male Christening Date: 17 May 1747 Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Winford Brown Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Thomasin Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02143-8 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID: item 3
Parents' marriage:
Name: Winford Brown Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Thomasin Woodward Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 25 Jun 1745 Event Place: Faversham, Kent, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00605-2 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1751866 Reference ID:
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jane
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13 Aug 2013 16:36 |
WOW! thanks for all your responses, all this info is really useful and most of it I was unable to find, I am currently writing it all down and putting it all together. Thank you to all of you! So John could actually be 1776 if age rounded down in 1841 census. I am just wondering if his parents were Thomas and Ann as christening records found by Kucinta, or Robert and Elizabeth as in a tree on ancestry called ross family tree by member acr333 where spelt wrait initially, then changes to wraight for winford brown wraight 1816 son of William (brother of John wraight 1776), but I think this may be wrong and that winford brown wraight 1816 is actually john's son which would tie in with my tree and johns wife sarah 'brown' :-S
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jane
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13 Aug 2013 17:42 |
All of this juicy info is very relevant to my tree! thanks for all your searching - you could get paid for doing this! :-D
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 21:51 |
Name: Winford Brown Wraight Gender: Male Christening Date: 26 Jan 1800 Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Wraight Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID: item 3 p 261
Name: Thomas Wraight Gender: Male Christening Date: 24 Jun 1804 Christening Place: Faversham, Kent, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Wraight Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02181-7 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1736720 Reference ID: item 3 p 276
EDIT: Oops, already posted by Maddie.
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Kucinta
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13 Aug 2013 22:28 |
I think the Winford Brown Wraight who married Ellen Bland in 1858, as posted earlier by Maddie is probably the son of John Wraight c1801, as he is a bachelor on the marriage image. I think he was named for his maternal grandfather, and /or his uncle.
Winford Brown Wraight c1816 is probably the guy who married in 1843:
Marriages Mar 1843 CLINCH Edward Faversham 5 219 Gibbons Louisa Elizabeth Faversham 5 219<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harris Ann Faversham 5 219 Huggett Richard Faversham 5 219 JEMMETT George Henry Faversham 5 219 MUNNS Sarah Faversham 5 219 WRAIGHT Winford Faversham 5 219 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Looks like he married Louisa Gibbons as 1851 has the couple living with her parents:
Address: Tanner Street, Faversham County: Kent
GIBBONS, John Head Married M 71 1780 Painter Goodnestone, Kent GIBBONS, Sarah Wife Married F 67 1784 Nurse Throwley, Kent WRAIGHT, Winford Son-In-Law Married M 31 1820 Bricklayers Lab Faversham, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< WRAIGHT, Louisa Daughter Married F 32 1819 Davington, Kent<<< WRAIGHT, Eliza Grand Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Faversham, Kent WRAIGHT, Sarah Grand Daughter F 5 1846 Faversham, Kent
Winford and Louisa were still living in Faversham in census 1861 ie after the Bethnal Green wedding in 1861. However I can't find that Winford and Ellen in 1861.
Address: North Lane, Ospringe, Faversham County: Kent
WRAIGHT, Winford Head Married M 45 1816 Gardener Davington, Kent WRAIGHT, Louisa Wife Married F 43 1818 Faversham, Kent WRAIGHT, Winford B Son M 4 1857 Faversham, Kent
In 1871 a Winford Wraight born c1837 in Walthamstow Essex, is living with an Ellen:
Address: President St, East, St Luke Middlesex County: London, Middlesex
WRAIGHT, Winford Head M 34 1837 Essex Walthamstow WRAIGHT, Ellen Wife F 33 1838 Hertfordshire WRAIGHT, Winford Son M 6 1865 Middlesex WRAIGHT, Ellen Daughter F 3 1868 Middlesex WRAIGHT, Minnie Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex
Edit: The Essex location for Winford's birth would tie in with the location of John Wraight c1801, wife Lucy and family in the 1861 census posted previously by Maddie.
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