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I have just come across this thread.
I have many records, especially census and immigration where a man's name is entered as Jo.
It is an abbreviation for: John.
Often abbreviated to Jno

Thank you all for your help in trying to solve the " Jo Spalding " saga.
No definate answer as yet, but a great deal of very useful info from all of your researches.
Regards Peter.

Impossible to prove, but she certainly could be. The age is right-ish.
She's listed as a Farm Servant in 1841, so probably isn't related to the Nicol family of Merkland House, Kirkmichael.

Correct me if I am wrong, this is how I see it at this time.
Ann Spalding is mentioned in the 1851 census for Dundee as having been born in Ashly Cottage. Married to Alexander Mcdonald who was born in Ireland ( This is correct as his father born 1800 in Blaigowrie was in the Army ).
Ann Spalding is not mentioned in the " 1841 " census as living in Ashly Cottage with her family, but there is mention of an Ann Spalding aged 20 years, living with a Nichol family as stated in previous threads.
Could this be the Ann Spalding missing from 1841 census for Ashley Cottage?
And also the future wife of Alexander Mcdonald?
Peter.

Thank you all for your input, it is a lot to digest, which I am trying to do at the moment.
Plenty to work on will report any conclusions.
Peter.

AG, on all the censuses John's POB is given as Angus, Kirriemuir. He died 1874 aged 84; widower of Margaret Nicol; father:William Spalding; mother: Margaret Lindsay.

So, it doesn't look as if he is related to Charles.

Possible for his baptism:

Name: Spalding
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Dec 1791
Christening Place: KIRRIEMUIR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Spalding
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margt. Lindsay
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11299-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM

It is looking more and more as if Ann is the daughter of Charles!

Maybe he went by his second name and only used Charles for official documents!

Re John Spalding who married Margaret Nicol, there are these possible births. The 1798 one looks most likely:

27/07/1793 SPALDING JOHN WILLIAM SPALDING/CHRISTIAN GALLOWAY M BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0208

>>>>>>
17/02/1798 SPALDING JOHN CHARLES SPALDING/EUPHAN LYON M KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0187

25/03/1798 SPALDING JOHN WILLIAM SPALDING/ELISABETH WATSON FR715 (FR715) M TEALING /ANGUS 322/00 0030 0107

Isabel's marriage??

17/05/1834 SPALDING ISABEL JAMES LINDESAY/ F COUPAR ANGUS /ANGUS/PERTH 279/00 0040 0166

Charles's siblings - no John, unfortunately - assuming it's the right family:

06/05/1786 SPALDING ISABEL JOHN SPALDING/ANNIE KEA F KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0101


28/10/1792 SPALDING JAMES JOHN SPALDING/ANNIE KEA M KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0152

Charles's birth??

24/07/1788 SPALDING CHARLES JOHN SPALDING/ANNIE KEA M KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0122

Christian's siblings - don't see Christian's own birth:

1 17/10/1802 MACDONALD AGNES ANDREW MACDONALD/CHRISTIAN STRATTON F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0228

2 02/03/1800 MACDONALD JOHN ANDREW MACDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTON M BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0216

3 02/11/1788 MCDONALD ANNA ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STRAITON F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0205

4 13/07/1783 MCDONALD BEATRIX ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STERTON FR436 (FR436) F KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0057
5 04/03/1792 MCDONALD CATHARINE ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTAN F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0208

6 15/04/1798 MCDONALD MAY ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTEN F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0212

Possibly Christian's parents' marriage??

04/08/1780 STRATON CHRISTIAN ANDREW MCDONALD/ F COUPAR ANGUS /ANGUS/PERTH 279/00 0030 0103

Charles's death. Sadly, no mother's name:

1870 SPALDING CHARLES M 85 KETTINS /ANGUS 294/00 0006

Christian's death? With maiden name McDonald (which we knew), and mother's ms Stirton:

1856 SPALDING CHRISTIAN STIRTON MCDONALD F 70 KETTINS /ANGUS 294/00 0001

1861 Scotland Census about Charles Spalding
Name: Charles Spalding
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmichael, Perthshire
Registration number: 294
Registration District: Kettins
Civil Parish: Kettins
County: Angus
Address: Ashley Farm House
Occupation: Farmer Of 60 Acres Emp - On Farm
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 54
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_43
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Spalding 72
John Spalding 36
Elizabeth Spalding 33
Christian Spalding 39
Charles Spalding 5
Elizabeth Spalding 3
John Spalding 1
Alexander Myles 14

1851, for ref. Mentioned by Potty above. (I don't think it's been given in full earlier in this thread.)

1851 Scotland Census about Charles Spalding
Name: Charles Spalding
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Christian Spalding
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmichael, Perthshire
Parish Number: 294
Civil Parish: Kettins
County: Angus
Address: Ashley Cottage
Occupation: Spirit ?? (farmer 62 Acres Employs Son & ?? Chelsed Penioner)
ED: 3
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 45
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_65
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Spalding 62
Christian Spalding 62
John Spalding 27
Christian Spalding 29
Thomas Kidd 14

Just to confuse matters further, Charles was born Kirkmichael, Perthshire (1851 Census, which has his occupation as Farmer, Chelsea Pensioner) which is where an Ann Spalding is in 1841 with 3 Nichol children - the eldest Christian, is described as "Ind" - an odd "occupation" for a 14 year old:

Civil Parish:Kirkmichael
County:Perthshire
Address:Merkland House
Occupation:Ind

All not born in County:

Christian Nicol 14
George Nicol 12
James Nicol 10
Louisa Ogilyie 20
Ann Spalding 20

Just some thoughts:

Ann's father on the marriage looks like "Jo"; there is a baptism for an Ann with father John and mother Margaret Nichol.

This baptism is a bit early for the ages given on later censuses. If this is the Ann who married Alexander, then either she lied about her age later, or possibly this Ann died and a later child was given the same name.

There are no records of baptisms in the OPR for any of the other children of John and Margaret - perhaps they were members of a different Church.

Ann's POB - possibly Charles and John were brothers.

Have you found Charles and Christian on any census?

The 1851 census transcription detailed above is definitely the correct one.
This shows wife Ann as being born in "Ashly cottage" the home of Charles Spalding and his wife Christian.
The entry of the fathers name on the OPR has always been a mystery which hopefully can be resolved.
I do think we could be on the right lines with the "Ashly Cottage" family.(see Stuart /Ann/and Argyll entries)
Please keep trying help.
Peter.

I think it's still a J in spite of being different from others - but don't know why that should be! Something to do with it being at the start of an abbreviation??

It's certainly not C.

There's also Janet Fyffe's father at the bottom of the image.