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There is this family in 1841 living in Kirriemuir and daughter Lydia seems to have named a child Margaret Nicol, so possibly this is Ann's family. I can also find an Ann living in Perthshire with a Nicol family:

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Name

Age

John Spalding 45
Margret Spalding 45
Lydia Spalding 20
Margret Spalding 15
John Spalding 14
Janet Spalding 12
James Spalding 10
Jean Spalding 9
Thomas Spalding 7
David Spalding

Name: Margt. Nicoll Paterson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 May 1850
Christening Place: KIRRIEMUIR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Paterson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Lydia Spalding
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11299-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993443
Reference ID:

Citing this Record:
"Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYJ6-VJS : accessed 05 Aug 2013), Lydia Spalding in entry for Margt. Nicoll Paterson, 18 May 1850.

The 1871 census posted by RootsGatherer is the only one I can find, too, for an Alexander and Ann(ie) Mcdonald in Liverpool. But the ages are way out, especially Annie's. And Alexander's a seaman in that record.
I don't think that's them.

This is definitely them in 1861, and he's a grocer:

1861 England Census about Alexander Mc Donald
Name: Alexander Mc Donald
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Mc Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 2719
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Mc Donald 35
Ann Mc Donald 43
Charles R Mc Donald 10
Alexander Mc Donald 9
Catharine W Mc Donald 3
Ann Mc Donald 1

Same family in 1851 - Margaret listed under her midde name:

John Spalding 58
Margret Nicoll 59
William Spalding 36
Margh Spalding 29
John Spalding 27
Janet Spalding 25
James Spalding 22
Jean Spalding 19
Thomas Spalding 17
David Spalding 12

Ann Spalding in 1841:
Name:Ann Spalding
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Gender:Female
Where born:Scotland

Civil Parish:Kirkmichael
County:Perthshire

Address:Merkland House

Occupation:F S

Christian Nicol 14
George Nicol 12
James Nicol 10
Louisa Ogilyie 20
Ann Spalding 20

In 1871, they were in West Derby:

1871 England Census
Alexander McDonald

Age:55
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ann McDonald
Where born:Scotland
Civil Parish:West Derby


Alexander McDonald 55
Ann McDonald 50
Alexander McDonald 18
Catherine McDonald 13
Patk Davy 22

Ann and Alexander in 1851 - Alexander's POB Ireland:

Ann McDonald
Age:31
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1820
Relationship:Wife
Spouse's Name:Alexander McDonald
Gender:Female
Where born:Ashly Cottage, Forfarshire
Parish Number:282
Civil Parish:Liff and Benvie
Town:Dundee
County:Angus
AddressNo 14
Alexander McDonald 25
Ann McDonald 31
Charles McDonald 5 Mo

The Ann MacDonald in the 1851 above is the one whose father is given as Charles Spalding.
Her place of birth listed there is the same as the place of death of her brother John Spalding.

But I think we now think she's the wrong Ann Spalding, and that the one with parents John and Margaret in Kirriemuir is the correct one.
Do we?? I'm confused.

If she's John & Margaret's daughter, then her birth was 1812 (per AnnCardiff's post on page 1).
But if so, there are no census records for her in 1841 as far as I can see.

I cannot find any baptisms for John Spalding and Margaret Nichol's children, except the 1812 for Ann that AnnCardiff posted.

Also puzzled by Alexander's change of POB - in 1871 it is Scotland, in 1861 and the (wrong?) 1851 I posted it is Ireland. Also, his occupation changes:1861 - Grocer; 1871 - Traveller in Publications. Are there two Alexanders married to Anns?

The age difference for Alexander between 1861 and 1871 is 20 years.

Edit:checking the image for 1871, Alexander's age is 45 not 55, so agrees with the 1861.

I wonder what Alexander's parents' names were? Maybe they followed the Scottish naming pattern?

I am still confused!!!!
Alexander Proudfoot McDonald was definitely born in Ireland in 1826 (father was in the army).
It is possible that there are two Alexanders.
We think that Ann 1812 is too early as the 1851 census for Alexander is correct as it tallies with the Birth of my Gt. grandfather and Ann's date appears to be correct. Many thanks for your efforts.
Peter.

This Alexander and Ann would fit with the OPR which has Alexander as a Draper. I have had a look at the OPR marriage entry. I'm not convinced the father is "Jo" Spalding. There are several other J's on the same page whose lower loops fall on or just below the line, whereas this lower loop is quite long. Further down the page a Robert Hunter marries a Sarah Hughes dau of ? Hughes. I could go for the first letter of that being the same as Ann's father's BUT quite what it is I don't know!

1851 census transcription details for: 14, Seafield Road, Liff, Dundee

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 282
Folio: 283
Page: 3
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Liff
Enum. District: 83
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Dundee
Address: 14, Seafield Road, Liff, Dundee
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCDONALD, Alexander Head Married M 25 1826 Clothiers AssistantIreland British Subject
MCDONALD, Ann Wife Married F 31 1820 Ashly Cottage, Forfarshire
MCDONALD, Charles Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1851 Dundee, Forfarshire

I think it's still a J in spite of being different from others - but don't know why that should be! Something to do with it being at the start of an abbreviation??

It's certainly not C.

There's also Janet Fyffe's father at the bottom of the image.

The 1851 census transcription detailed above is definitely the correct one.
This shows wife Ann as being born in "Ashly cottage" the home of Charles Spalding and his wife Christian.
The entry of the fathers name on the OPR has always been a mystery which hopefully can be resolved.
I do think we could be on the right lines with the "Ashly Cottage" family.(see Stuart /Ann/and Argyll entries)
Please keep trying help.
Peter.

Just some thoughts:

Ann's father on the marriage looks like "Jo"; there is a baptism for an Ann with father John and mother Margaret Nichol.

This baptism is a bit early for the ages given on later censuses. If this is the Ann who married Alexander, then either she lied about her age later, or possibly this Ann died and a later child was given the same name.

There are no records of baptisms in the OPR for any of the other children of John and Margaret - perhaps they were members of a different Church.

Ann's POB - possibly Charles and John were brothers.

Have you found Charles and Christian on any census?

Just to confuse matters further, Charles was born Kirkmichael, Perthshire (1851 Census, which has his occupation as Farmer, Chelsea Pensioner) which is where an Ann Spalding is in 1841 with 3 Nichol children - the eldest Christian, is described as "Ind" - an odd "occupation" for a 14 year old:

Civil Parish:Kirkmichael
County:Perthshire
Address:Merkland House
Occupation:Ind

All not born in County:

Christian Nicol 14
George Nicol 12
James Nicol 10
Louisa Ogilyie 20
Ann Spalding 20

1851, for ref. Mentioned by Potty above. (I don't think it's been given in full earlier in this thread.)

1851 Scotland Census about Charles Spalding
Name: Charles Spalding
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Christian Spalding
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmichael, Perthshire
Parish Number: 294
Civil Parish: Kettins
County: Angus
Address: Ashley Cottage
Occupation: Spirit ?? (farmer 62 Acres Employs Son & ?? Chelsed Penioner)
ED: 3
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 45
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_65
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Spalding 62
Christian Spalding 62
John Spalding 27
Christian Spalding 29
Thomas Kidd 14

1861 Scotland Census about Charles Spalding
Name: Charles Spalding
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmichael, Perthshire
Registration number: 294
Registration District: Kettins
Civil Parish: Kettins
County: Angus
Address: Ashley Farm House
Occupation: Farmer Of 60 Acres Emp - On Farm
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 54
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_43
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Spalding 72
John Spalding 36
Elizabeth Spalding 33
Christian Spalding 39
Charles Spalding 5
Elizabeth Spalding 3
John Spalding 1
Alexander Myles 14

Christian's death? With maiden name McDonald (which we knew), and mother's ms Stirton:

1856 SPALDING CHRISTIAN STIRTON MCDONALD F 70 KETTINS /ANGUS 294/00 0001

Charles's death. Sadly, no mother's name:

1870 SPALDING CHARLES M 85 KETTINS /ANGUS 294/00 0006

Possibly Christian's parents' marriage??

04/08/1780 STRATON CHRISTIAN ANDREW MCDONALD/ F COUPAR ANGUS /ANGUS/PERTH 279/00 0030 0103

Christian's siblings - don't see Christian's own birth:

1 17/10/1802 MACDONALD AGNES ANDREW MACDONALD/CHRISTIAN STRATTON F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0228

2 02/03/1800 MACDONALD JOHN ANDREW MACDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTON M BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0216

3 02/11/1788 MCDONALD ANNA ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STRAITON F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0205

4 13/07/1783 MCDONALD BEATRIX ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STERTON FR436 (FR436) F KIRKMICHAEL (PERTH) /PERTH 370/00 0020 0057
5 04/03/1792 MCDONALD CATHARINE ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTAN F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0208

6 15/04/1798 MCDONALD MAY ANDREW MCDONALD/CHRISTIAN STIRTEN F BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH 335/00 0010 0212