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I'm trying to get you to be a bit more open-minded, Laura.

You seem to have got fixated on this family in Yorkshire................and I can't see why

In trying to help you, I've asked you questions, which you have ignored....................that, in my book, constitutes rudeness, but I didn't chastise you about it.

Perhaps I should have done.................

Potty.............

The DOB is taken from the baptism record in WYKE..............near Bradford, W Yorks.

Laura does not, as far as I can deduce, have any certs for any event

As you have William's exact DOB, do you have his birth cert? If so, what is his MMN, please. That should help to find out which William he is.

Laura, Reggie doesn't mean to be rude - he is just trying to get you to answer his question, which is a very valid one! Do you have William and Rose's marriage cert to confirm his father's name? If you don't, then you really need to get it. Many of us have gone down a wrong line because we didn't get the necessary certs and there do seem to be two possible William Crabtrees, both with parents Joseph and Sarah.

Edit 16:32: that should be both with father's Joseph.

In case you do have the birth and death certs, the Joseph in the 1881 that I posted is a gun maker.

Reggie i appreciate your help but can not speak to me like that please. In future I will not leave messages on this board if people like you are going to be rude.

Potty............

Thank goodness........................an 1881 census record which tallies with 1911

Laura

You haven't answered my question.................

1911 says he was born c1881 in BIRMIMGHAM

What connection does that have to someone born in 1878 in West Yorkshire?

Do you have any documentary proof that the man who married in 1902 is the one whose family you've latched on to in Yorkshire?

Please don't be so blinkered about this..........................

So Joseph died.

Reggie this is correct of the names of the children



1881 census


Person: CRABTREE, William Address: 45, Lobmill, Stansfield

CRABTREE, Sarah A Head Widow F 35 1846 Housekeeper (Dom)
Stansfield, Yorkshire VIEW
CRABTREE, Mary Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Stansfield, Yorkshire VIEW
CRABTREE, Sarah Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Stansfield, Yorkshire VIEW
CRABTREE, William Son Single M 3 1878
Stansfield, Yorkshire VIEW
CRABTREE, Anne Daughter Single F 5 1876
Stansfield, Yorkshire VIEW
CRABTREE, Susanna Daughter Single F 0 1881
Stansfield, Yorkshire

Wyke is a suburb of Bradford
Wyke is a Ward in Bradford Metropolitan District in the county of West Yorkshire, England, named after the village of Wyke. As well as the area of Wyke, the ward includes the adjoining hamlet of Lower Wyke,...

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ame: CRABTREE, William

Registration district: [?] Bradford

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1878

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?]9B

Page no:[?]17

This looks like the William from the 1911:


Name:William Crabtree
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Joseph Crabtree
Mother's Name:Annie Crabtree
Gender:Male
Where born:Bham, Warwickshire, England

Joseph Crabtree 50
Annie Crabtree 40
Joseph Crabtree 16
Catherine Crabtree 15
Jessie Crabtree 12
Annie Crabtree 14
Clara Crabtree 10
Charles Crabtree 7
George Crabtree 5
Maud Crabtree 4
Lilly Crabtree 3
William 3 months

Both Josephs and Annie b London, Middlesex; the rest b Birmingham

So what connection does that baptism have with someone who says in 1911 that he was born in Birmingham in 1881?

Maddie that is correct with Williams DOB. Thank you for that little bit of extra info saying that Joseph was a miner. Just need to find Joseph's DOB thank you

there is this baptism but crabtree very common name


West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about William Crabtree
Name: William Crabtree
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1878
Parish: Wyke, St Mary
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1878
Father's Name: Joseph Crabtree
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Crabtree

they lived in Dane Row and he was Joseph was a miner

Laura, start with William and Rose's marriage cert, which will give William's occupation and his father's name and occupation. You can then work backwards through the census.

Do you have the 1902 marriage cert?

Household transcription
1911 census


Person: CRABTREE, William Charles Address: 12 Piggotts Road Caversham Reading

CRABTREE, William Charles Head Married M 30 1881 Mill Carter Burmingham Warwick VIEW
CRABTREE, Rose Wife Married F 30 1881 Reading Berks VIEW
CRABTREE, Rose Ellen Daughter F 1 1910 Reading Berks VIEW
CRABTREE, Lily Florence Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Caversham Oxon

I'm sorry to say this, but are you just guessing about these people?

What do you KNOW about William Charles?

You say he was born in Birmingham........there is no birth registration to back up that statement

I know Williams info as my nan found some paper work.

I've found a Joseph Crabtree b 1842 and in the 1851 census says there's a Sarah Ann who is a sister born 1848who is 3 maybe there's no wife at the mo? Very confusing!! Sorry will try and find out more

same Sarah Ann in 1871 ??????
871 England Census about Sarah Ann Crabtree
Name: Sarah Ann Crabtree
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Edwd Crabtree
Gender: Female
Where born: Stansfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Todmorden
Sub-registration District: Todmorden
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 70
Piece: 4330
Folio: 59
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Edwd Crabtree 28
Sarah Ann Crabtree 26

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but husband is James Edward

Right.......one question

Who are you actually researching?