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Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	Douglas	Report	12 Jul 2013 15:55
Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	Can anyone help me to find the maiden name of Mary J Hellyar, born 1873 Scarborough, Married to William Hellyar he was born I believe in St Merryn Cornwall in1867 on the 1901 census they lived in South Shields Co. Durham date of marriage unknown.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	12 Jul 2013 15:59
	Possible: Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%) HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118 Scan available - click to view SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	12 Jul 2013 15:59
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Hello Douglas, have you looked for a marriage on FreeBMD? http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ (Welcome to the boards)
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:00
	Douglas, use this site for births, marriages and deaths: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,632 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:00
	There is this marriage? Do you know whether William had a middle name? Marriages Dec 1897 Charlton Isabella South Shields 10a 1118 >>HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118 >>SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118 Turnbull Ralph South Shields 10a 1118
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Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 9,259 Send Message	Porkie_Pie	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:02
	Possible?? Marriages Dec 1897 Charlton Isabella South Shields 10a 1118 HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turnbull Ralph South Shields 10a 1118 Births Mar 1867 Hellyar William Rawling St. Columb 5c 104 Roy
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Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,632 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:03
	This is the 1911 census....it says married 14 years Name: William Hellyar Age in 1911: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Padstow, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: South Shields County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 20 Devonshire St Tyne Dock South Shields Marital Status: Married Occupation: Hopper Man Registration District: South Shields Registration District Number: 556 Sub-registration District: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 64 Piece: 30323 Household Members: Name Age William Hellyar 43 occ Hooper Man Mary Jane Hellyar 37 George Thomas Hellyar 14.....Adopted b South Shields Beatrice Young Rickley 2 (Surname looks more like Kirkley) ....Adopted b South Shields Children born to marriage ...None EDIT Adopted childs birth Births Sep 1908 Kirkley Beatrice Young S. Shields 10a 918
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Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:04
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	South Tyneside council site gives the actual marriage date: 1897 William R HELLYAR Spouse: Mary J SMALLER Register: C H1 Entry: 420 Date: 09/10/1897
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:08
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	William's baptism from Cornwall opc http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/home/ Day Month 08-May Year 1867 Parish Or Reg District Padstow Forename William Rawling Surname HELLYAR Sex Father Forename Philip Mother Forename Matilda Residence Treator Father Rank Profession Laborer Notes Born 10 Feb 1867 Transcriber Notes Transcriber Kay Woodhouse
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:10
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	His parent's marriage: Day Month 18-Oct Year 1865 Parish Or Reg District Merryn, St. Groom Fn Philip Rawling Groom Sn HELLYAR Groom Age full age Groom Residence St Merryn Groom Condition Batchelor Groom Rank Profession Servant Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) s Groom Father Name John Groom Father Rank Profession Servant Bride Fn Matilda Bride Sn BUDGE Bride Age Minor Bride Residence St Merryn Bride Condition Spinster Bride Rank Profession Servant Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) m Bride Father Name Thomas Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 Hellen Witness Sn1 TIPPETT Witness Fn2 Thomas Witness Sn2 HELLYAR Other Information Transcriber Notes Transcriber Philip Green
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 9,259 Send Message	Porkie_Pie	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:14
	Cannot find a birth for Mary Jane in Scarbro' 1873 +/- 1 year under the name Smaller so wonder if William could be a second marriage, The birth cert for George Thomas Hellyar may be required to clarify her maiden name Roy
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,632 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:17
	Just looked at the 1911 census again, Porkie and it states that George Thomas was also adopted! I will add this to the 1911 census above.
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Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 91,632 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:26
	1901 census for ref......note George T Cole is the adopted son George Thomas Hellyar in 1911 census Name: William Hellyar Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary J Hellyar Gender: Male Where born: Padstow, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: South Shields Ecclesiastical parish: South Shields St Jude County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration District: South Shields Sub-registration District: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 67 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 417 Piece: 4736 Folio: 64 Page Number: 59 Household Members: Name Age William Hellyar 34 Mary J Hellyar 28 George T Cole 14 Adopted son
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Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 9,259 Send Message	Porkie_Pie	Report	12 Jul 2013 16:34
	In the event that no children was born to the marriage then if no one can find a birth for Mary Jane the marriage cert is the other option to see if smaller is her maiden name or if it is a second marriage Roy
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 9,259 Send Message	Porkie_Pie	Report	13 Jul 2013 09:07
	Douglas is a new poster so message to let him no he has replies Roy
Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	Douglas	Report	13 Jul 2013 14:33
Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	Thanks for that roy
Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	Douglas	Report	13 Jul 2013 14:38
Member Since: August 2010 Posts: 17 Send Message	If George Thomas Cole is George Thomas Hellyar in the 1911 census, then how come his mother was registered on his birth certificate as Florence Mary Cowell which I am in receipt of.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	13 Jul 2013 15:35
	Is his father's name on the birth cert? If so, what is it? I did notice that the George Thomas is aged 14 in both 1901 and 1911 census, so there could be two Georges.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10,522 Send Message	Potty	Report	13 Jul 2013 15:43
	Looking more closely at the 1901 image, George is aged 4 not 14.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 9,259 Send Message	Porkie_Pie	Report	13 Jul 2013 16:35
	Births Jun 1897 Cowell George Thomas S. Shields 10a 756 Births Dec 1874 COWELL Florence Mary Truro 5c 156 No trace of a marriage or death for Florence even using Phonetic search for her surname, Did She emigrate? Roy

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