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Hi Janet
thanks for looking for Samuel for me.
if he had been either of these he would been 10 when he married in 1816.
It is a headache.
Many thanks again.
Mike

Hello Michael.
There are two Samuel Charles baptised in Swansea St. Mary's. The originals can be viewed on Find My Past.

Samuel Charles baptised 12/11/1806 birth date 6/3/1806 father Samuel

Samuel Charles baptised 2/7/1809 birth date 27/4/1808 father Samuel.

Good luck
Janet

Thank you Christina

no idea why my searches did not work ...


Not too worry ....

The bald patch hardly notices :-D :-D


x Renes

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3Aprice~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Ashropshire~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1815-1817~%20%2Bsubcollection_id%3A5&igi=(1 2)

Renes - I've only just come back to this thread. I hope I'm not too late to safe your sanity!

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3Aprice~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ashropshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1795-1798~%20%2Bsubcollection_id%3A5&igi=(1 2)

Many thanks
I did realise after I posted that there would be no cert available for their marriage.
I have looked everywhere for the parish records and they would appear to be in London
No chance of a local visit then.
Many thanks
Mike

Michael

I am sorry to tell you that marriage certificates are only avaliable since 1st July 1837
this leaflet should explain all ---- prior to that - entries were only made in the parish church records - to see the entry you will either need to email the church to see if the registers are there and then visit .. Or ask them to make you a copy and send it to you

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_186584.pdf

I think also you should be able to take the Price line back abit ... You need to search for free at
https://familysearch.org/search and http://www.freereg.org.uk/search/

Good luck

Thank you Renes, Christina and Chris Ho:)
I have at least a date of Marriage now for Samuel and Elizabeth. I will send for a Marriage certificate and see what that leads to.
Thank you seems little to say for all of your efforts.
I did not get what I was looking for (Samuel's Birth in Swansea) I think that I have exhausted all know avenues there to this point; but due to your invaluable help I draw close.
Mike J Charles

Hi Chris

No records found for Name: Price, Country: England, State or Province: Shropshire, Event: Birth, Place: Wellington, Event Range: 1790-1799, Father Name: Richard Price, Mother Name: Martha Price
Number of results to show: 20 | 50 | 75

why .....

Edit to add this No Results

Search Results from Historical Records
No records found for Name: Samuel Charles, Country: England, State or Province: Shropshire, Event: Marriage, Place: Madeley
Number of results to show: 20 | 50 | 75

Christna can you post the links to the records please .... Before I go bonkers
<3 <3 :-D

(sends thanks to Renes for adding 1841, couldn't stay in chair here today!)

You all seem to have done well...

Chris :)

And I still cannot get a result up for Wellington .........

Just now re searching and found this ... There are others being baptised ith Richard and Martha as patents at Dawley Magna -

Name: Elizabeth Price
Christening Date: 07 Jul 1799
Christening Place: DAWLEY MAGNA,SHROPSHIRE,
Father's Name: Richard Price
Mother's Name: Martha
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00859-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number:


Emma was christened here in 1825

Brilliant Christina

Goodness knows how many times I searched for
baptism Elizabeth Price with mother Martha ... And got nothing ....

and at Wellington, Dawley Magna ... Etc

i must be going blind or doo lally .. Possibly both

x

Family search have Elizabeth Price bap. Wellington, Shropshire 1796 - parents Richard and Martha.

They also have a marriage 27th October 1816 at Madeley, Salop for Samuel Charles and Elizabeth Price

No extra information given though.

Yes I saw that he had said "born in county" on 1841 .... Beverley
So its possible I suppose, although Michael said he had the details from St Mary Swansea, but it was lost when the the detail to America but who knows it should definitely be left here it - although he says Swansea 1851

Looked thru the Dawley Magna baptisms last night ... And there is a second family with the surname Charles .... From memory it was a Joseph Charles ... Coincidence or a brother ....... Will post it later

Chris Ho Kindly sent me this
Possible in 1841 ... Mother in law Martha .. Living with father in law ? Or husband ...


1841
PRICE, Richard M 85 1756 Shropshire (Lab)
PRICE, Martha F 60 1781 Shropshire >>>>>>>>>>
HARRIS, Richar M 24 1817 Shropshire
HARRIS, Eliza F 20 1821 Shropshire
HARRIS, George M 0 (2 months) 1841 Shropshire
Piece: 907
Book/Folio: 5/6
Page: 4
Registration District: Wellington
Civil Parish: Wellington
Municipal Borough:
Address: Kettley Dingle, Wellington >>>>>>Love these addresses
County: Shropshire

Also Cow Wood for Samuel

Off out now ... Laters ...

Just a thought and probably a red herring -
I'm looking at this, I know it's totally the wrong county but in 1841 when his memory was still good (!!) he said he was born in Shropshire and Shropshire and Staffordshire are next to each other!

County Staffordshire
Place Bilston
Church St Leonard
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 27 Mar 1796
Forename Samuel
Sex M
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname CHARLES
MotherSurname

Just posting this here for ref
1841 census transcription details for: Cow Wood, Wellington
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107Piece: 907Book/Folio: 5/29 Page: 4
Reg. District: WellingtonSub District: WellingtonParish: Wellington
Address: Cow Wood, Wellington County: Shropshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CHARLES, Samuel M 45 1796 Shropshire
CHARLES, Elizth F 45 1796 Shropshire
CHARLES, Stephen M 20 1821 Shropshire
CHARLES, Emma F 15 1826 Shropshire
CHARLES, Enoch M 11 1830 Shropshire
CHARLES, Ann F 7 1834 Shropshire
CHARLES, Isaac M 5 1836 Shropshire
CHARLES, Harriet F 3 1838 Shropshire

Not sure is you have this --possible marriage for Stephen ... ¿¿¿

Name: Stephen Charles
Spouse's Name: Jane Washington
Event Date: 06 May 1844
Event Place: Wrockwardine, Shropshire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Charles
Spouse's Father's Name: James Washington
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04338-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1702245
Reference ID: item 18 p 150 .

Well I have found Emma at Dawley Magna and Google says the church there is Holy Trinity

Name: Emma Charles
Christening Date: 28 Aug 1825
Christening Place: Dawley-Magna, Shropshire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Charles
: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03011-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1526897
Reference ID: v 5 p 72

If we can locate the two elder children
( on the 1841 found by Emma) Stephen c 1821 and Emma c 1826 baptisms

Remembering the rounding up of ages in 1841

They may not have been at Wellington .....

Renes

The children's christening dates are brilliant, I was viewing them today. But it does a mystery; they were obviously churched people, why no marriage details?
Strange!
Mike the mad monk