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Carol, nothing to feel a twerp about! (Oh, I do like that word, haven't heard it for ages!)

I don't have a George Clark in my tree but wouldn't mind researching the one who does Restoration Man.

Oh don't I feel a twerp.... All is clear now..

But thanks. This research business takes you in may directions.

MC - :-D

Funnily though while I was poking my nose into Carol's George Clark I was in fact researching my OWN George Clark (born and died Wolverhampton) :-)

Hi Carol - no, it's highly unlikely that any of the researchers on here would be connected to the families that people ask about.

We're just nosy people who like poking about in other peoples families! Often because we're at the end of our tethers with our own research.

As I said I am very new to this, I wondered if both you and Jude were researching George Clarke?

Carol - who is researching the same man?

did any of my comments help?

You appear to be researching the same man- George Clark

"the son who died was his beloved... its my guess it was his eldest.. From what I was told, he either worked or was apprentice on the docks. He apprentley dived into the Thames near a boat, to retrieve something but was caught in an undertow. This lead to Georges uncontrollable grief and I think he went into a decline and lost his job as foreman"

This would fit with the death MC posted above....leaving the missing birth (to make the 10th) being also the death we are looking for??

Jude

1891 Census...

Name: George Clark
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, London, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 435
Folio: 20
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
George Clark 31
Fanny Clark 32
Jessie Clark 9
Caroline Clark 7
Florence Clark 5
Sarah Clark 3
George Clark 2
Samuel S Clark 2/12

Doesn't help much :-( still think we need to find a birth to fit in between Florence and Sarah

Jude

I was wondering about this death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Samuel Clark
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Age at Death: 14
Registration District: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 192

EDIT: Have no idea if the location would fit.

Ah MC...didn't think she was on 1901 census but she's out of order right at the bottom!

;-)

the son who died was his beloved... its my guess it was his eldest.. From what I was told, he either worked or was apprentice on the docks. He apprentley dived into the Thames near a boat, to retrieve something but was caught in an undertow. This lead to Georges uncontrollable grief and I think he went into a decline and lost his job as foreman. Again, heresay. it sort of fits the story with him then turning up as a coal porter again!

Jude, I've got lost! How is Florence one of the ones that died?

To collate for Dea's return!!!

Known children

Jessie 1881
Caroline 1882
Florence 1884
Sarah 1888
George 1889
Samuel 1891
Jane 1893
Maud 1895

Then in 1901 Amy born 1899 but in 1911 Mary Ann born 1899 - and Am appears to precede Mary and is crossed out :-S

Florence appears to be one of the children who died?

So assuming Amy/Mary Ann are one and same we are missing a child - presumably who was born and died between censuses....and there's a gap between Florence and Sarah that could do with filling??

Jude

If the 1911 stated 10 children born and only 8 still alive then one must have died between 1901 and 1911. (There are the 8 on the 1901 census plus Jessie must have been around somewhere).

If it was a brother who drowned then could that be George or Samuel?

Marriage of daughter Jessie:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Jessie Clark
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 22
Spouse Name: William John Concannon - carman
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1902
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Clark - porter
Spouse Father Name: William John Concannon - barman
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married, both give address as 97 Whitehouse Street.

Witnesses: G Clark and Carrie Clark (sister Caroline?)

Another baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Jessie Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1881 - born 3 August 1881
Father's Name: George Clark - Coal Porter
Mother's Name: Fanny Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 12 Creek Street, Lavender Road.

Looks like George and Fanny had some children baptised as a job lot:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Caroline Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 May 1890 - born 17 June 1882
Father's Name: George Clark - Coal Porter
Mother's Name: Fanny Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St John
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 29 Mendip Road

Baptised the same day were:
Florence born 21 Apr 1884
Sarah born 18 Apr 1887
George born 10 Nov 1888

Ah... as you probably guess I am very new to this. so apologies for reply sent direct.

Yes he is the George Clark mentioned by Dea and Jude.

I know a lot about my grandmother Jane ( his daughter) but nothing of either side of the family the Hill or the Clark side.

I was told that my grandmother had lost a brother who drown in the Thames, but this too only family heresay and not proven. Thank you to those who have started me on the correct trail. If any one has a photograph or any documentation I would be happy to share what I have on Jane - including her being put into service record

The 1911 census shows that George and Fanny had had 10 children - 2 of whom had died before that census was taken.

Have to go and start the lunch but will have a look for them later unless anyone else has found them in the meantime.

Dea x